Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs inBurbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread paul dove via EV
Gravity is not a force. Friction is a force. Einsteinium theory of relativity proved this. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:35 PM, Cor van de Water via EV > wrote: > > Rush is right in that the gravity is the force that slows down the > vehicle but not in the

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs inBurbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Ah, nitpicking ;-) You are right, gravity is not a force in itself, it causes a force due to the attraction observed between masses. Colloquial speech however simply states: "The force of gravity..." but it is true that gravity is not the force itself, as explained by this quote: "Gravity is most

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Rush Dougherty via EV
Since you seem to have more knowledge about this field than I do... please enlighten me (and the others on this list) - what is that resistance called and how does it make objects crash into the ground. What are the losses? Rush Dougherty Tucson AZ 85719 > -Original Message- > From:

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs inBurbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Rush is right in that the gravity is the force that slows down the vehicle but not in the way you were thinking. See, the way that the piezo elements can generate energy is by removing it from a source, in this case the moving vehicle. The piezo elements generate energy because a force works on

Re: [EVDL] Leaf trip to Sacramento from San Francisco

2016-08-26 Thread Jeff Mccabe via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Jack, This will be my last on-list reply, I fear we are annoying other readers when we take this much further. If you are convinced that my mind is made up then there is nothing I can do to change that. In your previous response, you clearly stated that you try to harvest free energy, no change

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread via EV
> I think you've forgotten about a little pesky thing called gravity... and > while > the distances maybe similar, the energy needed to get the 'vehicle' back up to > the same level, the rise, is more than the energy gained on the fall. Best check your physics Rush. That same resistance to

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Rush Dougherty via EV
Jack wrote - > -Original Message- >Since the uphill and downhill distances are > the same, there is no net loss as compared to the surface that did not change inclination. > And the rise and fall of both the near end and the far end cause a similar energy output I think you've forgotten

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

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Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
s on them. This is a clear indication that roads heat up due to traffic. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20160826/42172503/attachment.htm> ___

[EVDL] Leaf trip to Sacramento from San Francisco

2016-08-26 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
91 miles 25% of charge remaining. Stiff tail wind. 29 miles of range on the range indicator. Battery heat at 6 bars. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20160826/8201f

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Jack Wendel via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Peter Eckhoff via EV
There is a big difference between the people of Tokyo walking on a Piezoelectric walkway to light a sign versus running an electric train between stations. I am more apt to walk to charge my cell phone with piezoelectric elements built into my shoes but not to charge my EV. If that were

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs inBurbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread David Nelson via EV
g the roads. It is ignoring the other evidence in favor of only one possible indicator. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20160826/60d3cd7a/attachment.htm>

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs inBurbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Lee Hart via EV
via EV wrote: On the efficiency side of things, roads already flex when vehicles drive over them. Why not harvest that lost energy? Heat is the "bullshit" detector of such claims. If any significant amount of energy was being produced by flexing roads, it would show up as a temperature

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread David Nelson via EV
r California Gov. Brown vetoed an assembly bill Gatto introduced > in > >>> >2011 > >>> >that would have launched two piezoelectric pilot programs in > >>> >California, > >>> >Gatto

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
successful, perhaps other states will consider harvesting >>> >electricity from their busy roadways. >>> > >>> >“Thirty years ago, no one would have believed that black silicon panels >>> >in >>> >the desert could generate ‘solar‘ power,” Ga

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
city from their busy roadways. >>> > >>> >“Thirty years ago, no one would have believed that black silicon panels >>> >in >>> >the desert could generate ‘solar‘ power,” Gatto stated. “Piezoelectric >>> >technology is real and I am gla

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs inBurbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
t that lost energy? Sent from my Windows 10 phone From: Peri Hartman via EV -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20160826/d4887948/attachment.htm>

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Really? Is rolling resistance so high that there's energy to power Burbank? I'm not going to do the math but it sounds preposterous. Ok, some of the math: 105000 homes at an average of 1MWh/month. That's 10.5GWh/month or 14.5Mwh/hour. So, that strip of highway needs to produce 14.5Mw. Still

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[EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread brucedp5 via EV
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