Re: [EVDL] AutoPilot drops out on tight road turns.

2021-07-13 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 12 Jul 2021 at 21:54, mark hanson via EV wrote: > https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/bay-area-man-killed-in-tesla-crash-had-com > plained-about-autopilot/ The KRON article says that the accident victim, Walter Huang, had previously experienced the Tesla's autopilot steering toward the same

Re: [EVDL] AutoPilot drops out on tight road turns.

2021-07-13 Thread paul dove via EV
Sumwalt said that Huang was likely playing a video game on his phone when his car veered into the median barrier. "So first let me say, if you own a car with partial automation, you do not own a self-driving car. Don't pretend that you do," Sumwalt said.

[EVDL] AutoPilot drops out on tight road turns.

2021-07-12 Thread mark hanson via EV
Hi Folks, A fellow engineer in California sent me this, apparently the self driving feature saw the lane spacing as standard but ran into the concrete lane divider and killed him. I really like my Tesla-Y for towing the boat, seamless long distance travel/fast charging but I’ll hold off

Re: [EVDL] AutoPilot drops out on tight road turns.

2021-07-12 Thread Haudy Kazemi via EV
The updates are a small net positive. They could be a large net positive. They are also mostly voluntary. TMC does have some threads where owners have reported forced, remotely pushed, updates from old firmware that owners wanted to remain on (especially because of the battery cap issue or v9

Re: [EVDL] AutoPilot drops out on tight road turns.

2021-07-12 Thread Peter Eckhoff via EV
I'll add that in AutoPilot, I have experienced braking at an intersection on a curve where a stopped car is in the left turn lane, I'm in the right through lane, and depending upon where my steering wheel is pointed (only a couple of degree variations), my brakes are applied or not. This is one

Re: [EVDL] AutoPilot drops out on tight road turns.

2021-07-12 Thread paul dove via EV
Not to mention Ford wanted $300 To update the software on my edge and I had to take it in and leave it for them to download the update Sent from AT Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 2:21 PM, Willie via EV wrote: On 7/11/21 1:37 PM, Haudy Kazemi wrote: > "Installation of the

Re: [EVDL] AutoPilot drops out on tight road turns.

2021-07-11 Thread Willie via EV
On 7/11/21 1:37 PM, Haudy Kazemi wrote: "Installation of the updates cause zero pain or inconvenience to the owners." That is overstating things. Good has come from updates, but there are warts too. There is no undo/roll back option available to customers in case of botched updates, or

Re: [EVDL] AutoPilot drops out on tight road turns.

2021-07-11 Thread Haudy Kazemi via EV
"Installation of the updates cause zero pain or inconvenience to the owners." That is overstating things. Good has come from updates, but there are warts too. There is no undo/roll back option available to customers in case of botched updates, or updates that reduced features. Specific examples,

Re: [EVDL] AutoPilot drops out on tight road turns.

2021-07-11 Thread Willie via EV
On 7/11/21 8:46 AM, paul dove via EV wrote: The sudden braking was caused by the radar. That one reason the removed it from the latest vehicles Could be. The truth is that none of us know exactly what the problems and trade offs are and that many features of Teslas are works in

Re: [EVDL] AutoPilot drops out on tight road turns.

2021-07-11 Thread paul dove via EV
The sudden braking was caused by the radar. That one reason the removed it from the latest vehicles  Sent from AT Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, July 10, 2021, 12:50 PM, Peter Eckhoff via EV wrote: As a Tesla owner, I don't disagree with your statements in this thread.  I think it

Re: [EVDL] AutoPilot drops out on tight road turns.

2021-07-10 Thread Peter Eckhoff via EV
Hi Jay, The Bolt has yellow lights that light up on the outward tips of the side view mirrors if it detects a vehicle in that particular blind side of the car. Over the time, I have had the car, they seem to have improved and I am assuming this is through the few software updates that it has

Re: [EVDL] AutoPilot drops out on tight road turns.

2021-07-10 Thread Jay Summet via EV
On 7/10/21 1:50 PM, Peter Eckhoff via EV wrote: Blind spot detection in my Model 3 is useless. I rely only on my mirrors and turning my head; not on the terminal presentation I find that comment interesting. The 2020 Nissan Altima I drove when testing out ProPilot had Blind Spot

Re: [EVDL] AutoPilot drops out on tight road turns.

2021-07-10 Thread Peter Eckhoff via EV
Peri > > << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Jay Summet via EV" > To: ev@lists.evdl.org > Cc: "Jay Summet" > Sent: 10-Jul-21 5:02:01 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] AutoPilot d

Re: [EVDL] AutoPilot drops out on tight road turns.

2021-07-10 Thread Peter Eckhoff via EV
As a Tesla owner, I don't disagree with your statements in this thread. I think it would be more appropriate to add the word "Semi- as a prefix to both AutoPilot and Full Self-Driving and even drop the words: "Full" and "Auto". Then we would have truth in advertising. Mush was interviewed by

Re: [EVDL] AutoPilot drops out on tight road turns.

2021-07-10 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "Jay Summet via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "Jay Summet" Sent: 10-Jul-21 5:02:01 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] AutoPilot drops out on tight road turns. On 7/9/21 11:55 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: But, honestly, i

Re: [EVDL] AutoPilot drops out on tight road turns.

2021-07-10 Thread Jay Summet via EV
On 7/9/21 11:55 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: But, honestly, if the driver is paying attention and autopilot shuts down, what's to lose ? Up to that point, either autopilot was driving the car correctly, in which case the driver should be able to continue just fine without it. Or,

Re: [EVDL] AutoPilot drops out on tight road turns.

2021-07-09 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
:05 PM Subject: [EVDL] AutoPilot drops out on tight road turns. Hi EV folks After talking with my friend who crashed his Tesla3 about what was noted today on the EVDL that sometimes on sharp country road turns - the AutoPilot drops out (thus hitting a tree). This appears to be what happened.

[EVDL] AutoPilot drops out on tight road turns.

2021-07-09 Thread Mark Hanson via EV
Hi EV folks After talking with my friend who crashed his Tesla3 about what was noted today on the EVDL that sometimes on sharp country road turns - the AutoPilot drops out (thus hitting a tree). This appears to be what happened. In engineering this fault mode would be considered a fatal