Re: [EVDL] EV Brakes

2018-05-25 Thread robert winfield via EV
The vehicle was at a dead stop for 8-10 seconds, with the brake pedal depressed On Thursday, May 24, 2018, 10:00:24 PM EDT, Lawrence Harris via EV wrote: Depending on how the car works and if the brake lights are engaged when regen braking it could be considered a hard braking event an

Re: [EVDL] EV Brakes

2018-05-24 Thread Lawrence Harris via EV
Depending on how the car works and if the brake lights are engaged when regen braking it could be considered a hard braking event and increase the likelihood of the car behind rear ending you so it’s not clear the insurance company is wrong in this. But as noted it does depend on factors they l

Re: [EVDL] EV Brakes

2018-05-24 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
But releasing the accelerator at any time to cause high regen is the same as a hard braking event, (a rapid deceleration of the car changing speed) and a waste of energy unless it is part of an unavoidable stopping event.. Coasting instead of regen will retain double the energy compared to using re

Re: [EVDL] EV Brakes

2018-05-24 Thread robert winfield via EV
Except, I rarely used the brakes at all, but instead used a combination of high regeneration, cruise control, feathering the accelerator as necessary, and almost never touched the brakes except to eliminate the "creep" when stopped.  I have both 2.2 million miles driving experience and 53 months

Re: [EVDL] EV Brakes

2018-05-24 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
Then again, the driver could be still hard braking. I have heard some people say that they frequently use the brakes to regen energy to extend range. Makes no sense whatsoever. Heavy regen is not free energy, it is exactly the opposite. Yes, it recovers maybe 55% of keinetic energy compared to

Re: [EVDL] EV Brakes

2018-05-23 Thread Bill Dube via EV
Just to keep the record straight: Tesla turns on the monitoring only for test drives. Tesla still is the owner and has every right to monitor the cars it still legally owns. Once the car is sold, you have to give express permission to allow monitoring. The default, once the car is sold, is no po

Re: [EVDL] EV Brakes

2018-05-23 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 23 May 2018 at 18:25, robert winfield via EV wrote: > So, a word to the wise, bad and poorly written software can get you I'm sure the software is badly written, but that's not the main problem. The whole premise is bogus. It's the insurance company behind it that's "getting you." They w

Re: [EVDL] EV Brakes

2018-05-23 Thread robert winfield via EV
I _used_ to love strong regeneration for braking in the PHEV Volt and 1 pedal driving with cruise control,Then I got the "DriveWise" plug that rats out my driving behavior, over the Air to my insurance company, theoretically dropping my insurance rates (NOT) (you went over 80, once, thats a SER

[EVDL] EV Brakes

2018-05-23 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
I heard this sentence this weekend and it sums up what I ttry to tell people in a suscinct way: Brakes are for STOPPING, not for slowing. If you use the brakes for slowing you are just throwing energy away and you were going too fast in the first place. Bob -- next part ---