Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4 EOL behavior

2021-07-26 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 26 Jul 2021 at 9:06, Steve Clunn via EV wrote: > If your 12v alx battery is going bad it could be pulling power from the DC to > DC converter and draining the traction battery down more than usual. Well said, and quite possible. I had that happen to an EV in storage many years ago. I'd

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4 EOL behavior

2021-07-26 Thread Steve Clunn via EV
If your 12v alx battery is going bad it could be pulling power from the DC to DC converter and draining the traction battery down more than usual. Steve Clunn -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL:

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4 EOL behavior

2021-07-25 Thread Michael Ross via EV
Some of you know this, and the info is not current, but is good for LiFePO. Anyhow, just to be complete in the discussion: When a cell is discharged, the lithium ions are on the anode and the cathode is depleted of ions. This is a pretty benign state chemically. But as the cathode loads up Li

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4 EOL behavior

2021-07-25 Thread Alan Arrison via EV
I have a 9 year old pack of CALB blue 100Ah cells. I am seeing cells with very high self discharge. Probably 10's of milliamps. I am concerned that these high resistance shorts will become low resistance shorts and burn my garage down. (There is no excessive BMS loading) Al On 7/24/2021 9:01

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4 EOL behavior

2021-07-25 Thread Christopher Darilek via EV
For the 8 years I've had this pack my practice has been to charge it at a C/15 rate and stop when the first cell hits 3.45V. Its a 18kWh CALB. You could watch the cells go from ~3.32V to 3.45V pretty quickly, once they left 3.32V they'd be at 3.45V in <2mins and the charge stops. It's been

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4 EOL behavior

2021-07-24 Thread Michael Ross via EV
For LiFePO, a parasitic load might be protective. It's that full charge that is destructive. On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 11:40 PM EVDL Administrator via EV < ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > On 24 Jul 2021 at 21:04, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > > The worst thing you can do to LiFPO is to charge it

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4 EOL behavior

2021-07-24 Thread Michael Ross via EV
My personal experience is with the LiFePOcells, but the issue is there for all/most? It's a shame because they are the most affordable (well maybe, I haven't bought any since 2015). In particular, the temperature at which trouble starts is significantly lower for LiFePO. I think if you go right

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4 EOL behavior

2021-07-24 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 24 Jul 2021 at 18:38, paul dove via EV wrote: > I suggest you disrobe it and charge it on a regular basis. Oh, you young guys. That's all you think about. :-) David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4 EOL behavior

2021-07-24 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 24 Jul 2021 at 21:04, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > The worst thing you can do to LiFPO is to charge it fully, and let it sit > around, especially in a hot location. Isn't that the case for lithium batteries of any chemistry? I'm not a lithium expert by any means; I'm just asking. It occurs

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4 EOL behavior

2021-07-24 Thread Michael Ross via EV
The worst thing you can do to LiFPO is to charge it fully, and let it sit around, especially in a hot location. For long term storage, I would guess the best thing is maybe 50% SOC, and keep it as cool as you can without actually refrigerating it (though I don't know if that is a bad thing). You

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4 EOL behavior

2021-07-24 Thread paul dove via EV
Here is my experience. I had some on the bench for a year and half. They voltage on some had dropped so I was curious what capacity was left. I discharged them and got 45 Ah. So I charged them and did another discharge and got about 60Ah. So I diss a charge and discharge 3 more times. The fifth

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4 EOL behavior

2021-07-24 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
Why don't you check the current draw with the car asleep? Sounds like it's definitely some parasitic load. If it was internal to the cells, it would likely go down to zero. On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 6:01 AM Christopher Darilek via EV < ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > Hi Guys, > > I have an 8 year

[EVDL] LiFePO4 EOL behavior

2021-07-24 Thread Christopher Darilek via EV
Hi Guys, I have an 8 year old LiFePO4 pack in my car and wonder if anyone knows what the end of life failure mode is for these? Over the pandemic lock down I was not driving the car for 3 months and noticed one day that all the cells were flat, ~2V. I attributed this to some parasitic loads