Re: [EVDL] OEM EV charging on 120V with no ground?

2015-10-07 Thread Roland via EV
- Original Message - From: Robert Bruninga via EV<mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> To: David Nelson<mailto:gizm...@gmail.com> ; Electric Vehicle Discussion List<mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] OEM E

Re: [EVDL] OEM EV charging on 120V with no ground?

2015-10-07 Thread David Nelson via EV
On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 7:34 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: > > As for charging at 20a on a 20a circuit, don't do it! The maximum sustained > single load allowed on a 20a circuit is 0.8 * 20 == 16 amps. > Just to reiterate, I am not charging at 20A on a 20A circuit. I

Re: [EVDL] OEM EV charging on 120V with no ground?

2015-10-07 Thread David Nelson via EV
On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 4:32 AM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > Ah,so the Kia travel charger does not detect 120V input > to set its 12A pilot signal pattern, it detects absence of > voltage between ground and one phase as "this must be 120V". That is not what I said. The Kia

Re: [EVDL] OEM EV charging on 120V with no ground?

2015-10-07 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
Nelson Subject: Re: [EVDL] OEM EV charging on 120V with no ground? Current is the effect, voltage is the cause.  Current cannot flow without voltage. If you have a leakage of the current or another parallel path, the voltage will drop causing increase ampere, there will be a differential of ampere

Re: [EVDL] OEM EV charging on 120V with no ground?

2015-10-07 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 7 Oct 2015 at 4:32, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > I had an outlet overheating on the *opposite* side as where I > charge, because that is how the power was coming into the > garage - via wires stabbed into the back of outlets and one of > them was high resistance - already completely

Re: [EVDL] OEM EV charging on 120V with no ground?

2015-10-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 6, 2015, at 10:23 AM, Peter Gabrielsson via EV wrote: > If this is a permanent thing you might want to drive a ground rod next to > the pedestal. Even if not permanent, there're ways of creating grounds -- including driving a rod or looking for something conductive

Re: [EVDL] OEM EV charging on 120V with no ground?

2015-10-06 Thread Roland via EV
Nelson<mailto:gizm...@gmail.com> ; Electric Vehicle Discussion List<mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] OEM EV charging on 120V with no ground? The safety concern is that you have no protection ground so a ground fault inside the

Re: [EVDL] OEM EV charging on 120V with no ground?

2015-10-06 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
Correction: > If either the Line Wire (Hot) or a color conductor which will be black, red > > or blue has voltage that is different then the Neutral Wire (White), the > the > > GFI will detect this unbalance and will open up the circuit. > No, it is not voltage it is current. If the current is

Re: [EVDL] OEM EV charging on 120V with no ground?

2015-10-06 Thread David Nelson via EV
on via EV > To: David Nelson ; Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 11:23 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] OEM EV charging on 120V with no ground? > > The safety concern is that you have no protection ground so a ground fault > inside the vehicle may result in

Re: [EVDL] OEM EV charging on 120V with no ground?

2015-10-06 Thread Michael Ross via EV
OEM EV is pretty broad. What does their user manual say? The ground is for your safety. You can buy double insulated hand tools that use no ground on 120VAC. Is your OEMEV "double insulated?" If not it is strcitly at your own risk. If you are going to wing it, then I guess you could poke

Re: [EVDL] OEM EV charging on 120V with no ground?

2015-10-06 Thread David Nelson via EV
On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 6:23 PM, Michael Ross wrote: > OEM EV is pretty broad. What does their user manual say? > That is true. I'll have to dig through the user manual and the shop manual. I don't expect to find out anything about this in the user manual. Especially

Re: [EVDL] OEM EV charging on 120V with no ground?

2015-10-06 Thread Peter Gabrielsson via EV
The safety concern is that you have no protection ground so a ground fault inside the vehicle may result in the body of your vehicle becoming live. I've never seen an RV pedestal without ground though? I though that was required for any outdoor outlets. If this is a permanent thing you might

[EVDL] OEM EV charging on 120V with no ground?

2015-10-05 Thread David Nelson via EV
What are the safety issues of charging an OEM EV on 120V without the ground wire connected? I do have an EVSE which will do this if I put 100kohm resistors between hot-ground and neutral-ground which is what I have to do to charge with my portable-inverter generator. I'm not concerned with