Re: [EVDL] OT: Change in automakers' direction ...

2015-06-17 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 12:24 AM To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: [EVDL] OT: Change in automakers' direction ... * Keep discussions EV related * Sieving through all the newswires on plugins, one can foresee see some coming trends, along with mis-information still being spend by automakers

Re: [EVDL] OT: Change in automakers' direction ...

2015-06-16 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Some bold statements you put out there for discussion. I find it ironic that you chose to pick on Honda, as opposed to any of the other automakers. Growing up in Detroit, I remember Honda flipping the bird to the other auto makers by not only meeting the infeasible new pollution control

Re: [EVDL] OT: Change in automakers' direction ...

2015-06-16 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jun 16, 2015, at 2:25 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I'm not understanding why you have a problem with Honda developing their line based on consumer demand, or the most profit. Don't you understand that this is how all the automakers compete, not to mention companies

Re: [EVDL] OT: Change in automakers' direction ...

2015-06-16 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
I'm not understanding why you have a problem with Honda developing their line based on consumer demand, or the most profit. There is the problem. Our collective failure to understand that our maximum approach to GREED and CONSUMPTION is simply unsustainable. Maximizing Profit is pure greed

Re: [EVDL] OT: Change in automakers' direction ...

2015-06-16 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I won't argue with your fundamental principle, but certainly, of all the automakers, Honda has been one of the most responsible, if not the most, of all the automakers. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2015, at 6:33 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I'm not understanding

Re: [EVDL] OT: Change in automakers' direction ...

2015-06-16 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Sorry, didn't get a chance to finish. You may be correct about EVs, but give it time - there's no turning back. The cost delta is shrinking, and some great cars are being produced that raise the bar - Tesla comes to mind. High cost, and maybe not as Musk had promised, but no boxy car. And

Re: [EVDL] OT: Change in automakers' direction ...

2015-06-16 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 16 Jun 2015 at 6:52, Ben Goren via EV wrote: Imagine if Ford made a ... 2017 electric Mustang ... The demand for *that* EV would be instant.. I guess that depends on how you define demand. You might indeed land some buyers. But you have to remember a salient characteristic of most

Re: [EVDL] OT: Change in automakers' direction ...

2015-06-16 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jun 16, 2015, at 10:40 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Many of these guys actively LIKE -- deliberately PREFER -- the noise, stink, and grime that their ICEVs produce. That may even be more important to them than their actual performance. They really DO have

[EVDL] OT: Change in automakers' direction ...

2015-06-16 Thread brucedp5 via EV
* Keep discussions EV related * Sieving through all the newswires on plugins, one can foresee see some coming trends, along with mis-information still being spend by automakers. With the slightly less pump price$ ($4gal), the public has relaxed its buying habits. One might make the mistake of