Re: [EVDL] Solar Panels On EV

2021-04-20 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
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[EVDL] From my nissan leaf .com: Why the Leaf 12v system undercharges the 12v battery.

2021-04-20 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=22752 According to these guys a lead battery is not what a Leaf needs. Seems a lithium of some sort would do great. Another site said the DC/DC converter can put out as much as 120amps. The brakes and other systems that run on the 12v system might need a

Re: [EVDL] Solar Panels On EV

2021-04-20 Thread Lee Hart via EV
nathan christiansn via EV wrote: Has anyone successfully integrated solar panels into their EV? If so, could you please share what charge controller you used? First, it should be noted that PV panels on an EV are a special case solution. It's usually better to put them on a fixed structure

[EVDL] Two Nova episodes of interest

2021-04-20 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
Episodes and dates. The Hindenburg is off topic but the Great Electric Airplane Race should be on topic. Lawrence Rhodes "Hindenburg: The New Evidence" May 5, 2021 4806 A new investigation into the 1937 Hindenburg disaster includes a novel set of experiments that tests scenarios that may have

Re: [EVDL] From my nissan leaf .com: Why the Leaf 12v system undercharges the 12v battery.

2021-04-20 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
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[EVDL] Solar Panels On EV

2021-04-20 Thread nathan christiansn via EV
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Re: [EVDL] From my nissan leaf .com: Why the Leaf 12v system undercharges the 12v battery.

2021-04-20 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
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Re: [EVDL] From my nissan leaf .com: Why the Leaf 12v system undercharges the 12v battery.

2021-04-20 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I won’t jump into a technical argument about the suitability of one battery type over another for a particular application, but it never hurts to think about the environment when making decisions. I’ve several several years working with communities poisoned by emissions from battery processing

Re: [EVDL] From my nissan leaf .com: Why the Leaf 12v system undercharges the 12v battery.

2021-04-20 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
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Re: [EVDL] From my nissan leaf .com: Why the Leaf 12v system undercharges the 12v battery.

2021-04-20 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
It appears that Lawrence has already made up his mind, so in a few years' time we can ask him how that Leaf 12v lithium retrofit worked out. In the meantime, other folks here now have good, useful information and advice from two knowledgeable and experienced engineers and EV builders, Lee

Re: [EVDL] From my nissan leaf .com: Why the Leaf 12v system undercharges the 12v battery.

2021-04-20 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
> - He ignores aging. The older the battery, the lower its basic charging > >> voltage. > >> - 14.4v will easily fully charge a 12v battery. Remember, if it's holding > >> the battery at around 13.0v, it's already close to full; so it takes very > >> little time at 14.4v to f

Re: [EVDL] From my nissan leaf .com: Why the Leaf 12v system undercharges the 12v battery.

2021-04-20 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Solar Panels On EV

2021-04-20 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
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Re: [EVDL] From my nissan leaf .com: Why the Leaf 12v system undercharges the 12v battery.

2021-04-20 Thread George Tyler via EV
The leaf battery behaves much like the 12V Prius battery in my experience. They both seem to fail earlier than they should, but when should they fail? That is "opinion". The failure mode is different, probably because they don't fail by not turning a started motor? So you don't know capacity is

Re: [EVDL] Solar Panels On EV

2021-04-20 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
Never work on a car. I would read up on what Eindhoven did. Seems the original Stella from 2013 is still going strong. Here is an article including the information on the German company who did the encapsulation.

Re: [EVDL] Solar Panels On EV

2021-04-20 Thread Lee Hart via EV
(-Phil-) via EV wrote: Solar cells bonded to the car directly require some sort of clear resin, epoxy, or polymer. This usually only lasts about a year before it starts to break down from UV damage. Not worth it at all! Glass works, of course. :-) But it's difficult to make curved panels,

Re: [EVDL] Solar Panels On EV - shocking!

2021-04-20 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
> > Solar cells bonded to the car directly require some sort of clear resin, > > epoxy, or polymer. This usually only lasts about a year before it starts > > to break down from UV damage. ... Shocking Lesson: I was preparing to show my solar prius one day and used a damp cloth and water to

Re: [EVDL] From my nissan leaf .com: Why the Leaf 12v system undercharges the 12v battery.

2021-04-20 Thread Glenn Brooks via EV
t 14.4v to finish the job. >> >> Lee >> >> ___ >> Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org >> No other addresses in TO and CC fields >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> ARCHIVE: http://w

Re: [EVDL] From my nissan leaf .com: Why the Leaf 12v system undercharges the 12v battery.

2021-04-20 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=22752 According to these guys a lead battery is not what a Leaf needs. Seems a lithium of some sort would do great. Another site said the DC/DC converter can put out as much as 120amps. The brakes and other systems that

Re: [EVDL] I found some Solectria motor controllers

2021-04-20 Thread Ricky Suiter via EV
Jan, They are not the kind of place that has a web site. It appears they have a Facebook page here: Log into Facebook | | | | Log into Facebook Log into Facebook to start sharing and connecting with your friends, family, and people you know. | | | It hasn't been updated since last

Re: [EVDL] Solar Panels On EV

2021-04-20 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: To make solar panels work on an EV they must be specially encapsulated Sunpower cells. No panels. It depends on your goals. Sunpower cells can produce the most power per sq.meter under ideal conditions. That's great if you're building a solar raycer. But they

Re: [EVDL] Solar Panels On EV

2021-04-20 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1054815_the-dolphin-super-aerodynamic-homebuilt-electric-car Dave Clouds vehicle was designed to go 200 miles with a thousand pounds of lead batteries and to boot used ones. The goal was cheap and good. He succeeded. I suspect if you modified another Sprint

Re: [EVDL] From my nissan leaf .com: Why the Leaf 12v system undercharges the 12v battery.

2021-04-20 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: I live in San Francisco so freezing isn't an issue. It seems your findings differ from the Leaf forum. Keep in mind that opinions are not facts. You can get any answer you want online. Do you have a Leaf? Measure the 12v battery voltage yourself. I have a 2013

Re: [EVDL] From my nissan leaf .com: Why the Leaf 12v system undercharges the 12v battery.

2021-04-20 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
My Valence 40ah battery which cost 100 dollars used after being recycled from a medical cart was always in balance...however it was $1,200 MSRP new. so you get what you pay for.  I may try to find another of those as the 40 ah more closely matches the Leaf lead capacity. Lawrence On

[EVDL] Anecdotal, LEAF

2021-04-20 Thread Bob Bath via EV
Just list my 2nd capacity bar. 8 years, 47,000 mi This is an early 2013, so happy about the longevity. Not so happy about only having what was state-of-the-art for then, 24 kWh. The 2013 allows toggling between 80 and 100%. Based on my lead acid experience with civicwithacord, I’ve tried

Re: [EVDL] Solar Panels On EV

2021-04-20 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
To make solar panels work on an EV they must be specially encapsulated Sunpower cells. No panels. The area should be 5-6 Meter squared. Should yield 1.5 to 1.8kw. This should charge most EVs at level 1. With a custom controller you could directly connect to the HV battery but that would take

Re: [EVDL] From my nissan leaf .com: Why the Leaf 12v system undercharges the 12v battery.

2021-04-20 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
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Re: [EVDL] From my nissan leaf .com: Why the Leaf 12v system undercharges the 12v battery.

2021-04-20 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: what is the "load dump" problem? In automotive parlance, the dreaded "load dump" occurs when the alternator (or DC/DC) is charging at a high rate, and something causes a sudden drop in load current. It could be a loose or corroded battery cable, or a cracked or