[EVDL] EVLN: Bio Incentives Expand Tesla Supercharger Infrastructure
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/07/29/how-garbage-cows-and-flushing-are-about-to-expan-2.aspx How Garbage, Cows, and Flushing are About to Expand Supercharger Coverage for Tesla Motors By Maxx Chatsko | July 29, 2014 [images http://g.foolcdn.com/editorial/images/139469/116_tslasupercharger100_large.PNG The 100th Supercharger station opened on April 24, 2014, in Hamilton, N.J. We may see 1,000 sooner than you think. Source: Tesla Motors http://g.foolcdn.com/editorial/images/139469/116_tslasupercharger2015_large.PNG This is what the Supercharger network should look like in 2015. Source: Tesla Motors http://g.foolcdn.com/editorial/images/139469/116_abcbiogasus_large.PNG Red dots are farms, yellow are landfills, and blue are wastewater treatment plants. Source: American Biogas Council ] There aren't many electric vehicles on the road in the United States, especially when compared to the incumbent population of petrol-powered automobiles, but America does have an ample and renewable supply of cows, garbage, and flushable toilets. Leveraging our nation's strengths in the latter could help make electric vehicle charging stations -- including Tesla Motors' Supercharger sites -- as numerous and widespread as gas stations. No, this isn't a joke. And yes, this is actually quite probable. In fact, you'll wonder why it wasn't attempted sooner. How will it work? The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency will now recognize natural gas fuels sourced from biogas (also called biomethane or renewable natural gas) captured at landfills, farms, and wastewater treatment plants as advanced biofuels. That won't help Tesla Motors as much as it helps Waste Management and Veolia Environment, but the agency also ruled that electricity created from combusting biomethane and used to power electric vehicles qualifies for the same advanced biofuel incentives (electric vehicles are covered under the Renewable Fuel Standard, too). The new rule could possibly bring the Tesla Supercharger network to your town by the end of the decade. Here's how. Tesla Motors' ambitious plans The fierce battle over range anxiety and whether Tesla Motors' electric vehicle-charging stations would provide the coverage needed to combat it has played out many times in the last several years. Someone takes an ill-fated ride in a Tesla Model S and writes furiously about it, only to be refuted by an enthusiast easily completing a cross-country trip several weeks later. I'm not here to say the planned network is ill-equipped to cover its drivers. After all, it is intended to cover 98% of the American population in 2015, as displayed in the map ... Covering 98% of the population means drivers will never be more than 100 miles away from a Supercharger. That's a pretty amazing accomplishment for the short amount of time needed to reach the milestone -- which will only improve as Tesla Motors brings mass market cars to market -- but there's plenty of work left to be done. Why not leverage America's vast biogas reserves to bring a Supercharger to every town or municipality? Biomethane boost It's still much too early to say whether Tesla Motors will join forces with companies such as Waste Management, Veolia Environment, and large farming operations to expand Supercharger coverage, but the partnership potential makes almost too much sense. Regions with higher populations will have a greater need for charging stations. However, they'll also produce more garbage and wastewater and have a greater need to process such wastes. And while large farming operations are located in less dense population centers, they produce as much as 34% of the nation's methane. Good news: biomethane can be purified to pipeline-quality gas and shipped throughout the nation to where it is needed most. What's the potential for biomethane? The American Biogas Council estimates (link opens PDF) that roughly 540 landfills (22% of capacity), over 2,000 wastewater treatment plants (63%), and more than 6,300 farms (97%) across the nation have the potential to economically capture and use biomethane but aren't doing so today. In addition, thousands of sites could economically produce biogas from food waste or send it to an anaerobic digester at the local wastewater treatment plant to boost its output. To wrap your head around all of the untapped potential, consider the sites that are operational today. Now imagine if each dot represented a Supercharger. Fortunately, the future may arrive sooner than later. Waste Management has deployed 10 novel systems to optimize the production and capture of biomethane from its landfill sites with the aim of integrating the technology across its assets. The company is also on pace to produce over 950 megawatts of electricity from biogas by 2020. Meanwhile, Veolia Environment owns and operates over 200 wastewater treatment facilities throughout North America. That's nearly double the current fleet size of Supercharger stations in the United States!
Re: [EVDL] As an aid when recommending an EV to someone else,
One more thing you can add in range comparison between a EV and a ICE is: I was ask what is the range of my electric, I said it may have the same range of a ICE some of the time and more at other times. The EV has the same maximum range every day, because I charge it once a day or after each trip. Some ICE's do not have that maximum range daily, because they may only fill up once every two weeks or once a month. Thus the convenient of filling up the EV at home may only take 3.5 minutes to charge. Roland - Original Message - From: Dennis Miles via EVmailto:ev@lists.evdl.org To: EVDL Administratormailto:evp...@drmm.net ; Electric Vehicle Discussion Listmailto:ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 11:44 PM Subject: [EVDL] As an aid when recommending an EV to someone else, One question that a potential EV car buyer always asks is Just how far it will take me before another charge is needed? Perhaps we should have another computation available, as comparison, for each vehicle: Cost to drive 40 miles (Average daily commute.) (Dollars per mile.) Time to drive 1,000 miles? Cost for all fuel consumed? Time to drive 2,000 miles ? Cost? Time to drive 3,000 miles ? Cost? Distance drivable in eight hours? Cost? Distance drivable in 16 hours ? Cost ? Footnote: assuming 65 mph average speed and stops as needed for charging or refueling. Not including driver's breaks for food and necessary stops... Dennis Lee Miles (*evprofes...@evprofessor.commailto:*evprofes...@evprofessor.com evprofes...@evprofessor.commailto:evprofes...@evprofessor.com)* * Founder:**EV Tech. Institute Inc.* *Phone #* *(863) 944-9913 (12 noon to 12 midnight Eastern US Time)* *Educating yourself, does not mean you were **stupid; it means, you are intelligent enough, **to know, that there is plenty left to learn!* * You Tube Video link: http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLsshttp://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLsshttp://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss * -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140803/11daf569/attachment.htmhttp://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140803/11daf569/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usubhttp://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.orghttp://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRAhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140803/dd364a9e/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?
Before selecting a A/C unit, a calculation of how much heat gain or lost there is between a inside surface of a structure and the outside structure. One ton of A/C is equal to 12,000 bturs. 3420 bturs equal 1000 watts. The formula is: bturs = SF x u factor x TD SF is the square foot area of the exterior surfaces U is equal to 1/R TD is the Temperature Difference between the temperature of the outside surface to the inside surface. Calculation for a passenger compartment of a vehicle not insulated: Single pane class is 1 R-Factor Single panel of sheet metal is 1 R-Factor Therefore the u-factor is 1/R = 1u. For heating loss, we use 100 F. degree temperature difference (TD) to maintain a interior temperature of 70 F. at 30 below 0. or TD = 100 For A/C heat gain, we use a 70 F. degree temperature difference (TD) to maintain a interior temperature of 70 F. at 140 F ambient or TD = 70 The calculation which I use for my EV: My SF = 175 SF of the interior passenger The u-factor would be 1/1 or 1U if not insulated The TD = 70 F. Therefore: Btur's = 175 SF x 1 U-factor x 70 F TD = 12250 bturs. One ton of A/C = 12000 btur's Minimum size of A/C unit will be 12250/12000 = 1.02 ton Adding insulation which I install two layers of 1 inch soft foam in the door panels and firewalls. Insulated the floor with 1 inch of firm DOW blue board foam with a layer of 1 inch soft foam and carpet. This reduce the btur's to about half. Heating only takes 640 watts at 120 vac 60 hz (continuous ON) at 0 F. If I want the heater to cycle, than I switch in another 740 watt heater. The power comes from my rotating inverter/alternator that is rated at 7kw. Roland - Original Message - From: Jan Steinman via EVmailto:ev@lists.evdl.org To: ev@lists.evdl.orgmailto:ev@lists.evdl.org ; ev-requ...@lists.evdl.orgmailto:ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC? From: Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.orgmailto:ev@lists.evdl.org ... are there heat pump systems rather than compressor units that might be more energy efficient? The compressor-based system in almost all consumer things that reduce temperature *is* a heat pump. The only one that I know of that is different is the Einstein evaporator used in many multi-powered camping refrigerators. Rapid growth in the human energy base has broken down old biological and cultural diversity, and simultaneously led to proliferation of human numbers and individual diversity. The climaxing and decline of energy will inevitably result in a reduction of human numbers, and possibly individual diversity, while stimulating the re-emergence of localised biological and cultural diversity. -- David Holmgren Jan Steinman, EcoReality Co-op ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usubhttp://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.orghttp://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRAhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140803/0d01e1bc/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] monster ebikes
There is a lot of activity in the custom ebike world. Here are two Motoped builds; Original link on Matts monster project - http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28t=62040 Matts contact info here - http://recumpence.net/drives.htm And here is Gary K project, another e-motoped project using Matts smaller DaVinci drive - https://www.facebook.com/ZWheelz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140803/235875be/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?
systems rather than compressor units that might be more energy efficient? The compressor-based system in almost all consumer things that reduce temperature *is* a heat pump. The only one that I know of that is different is the Einstein evaporator used in many multi-powered camping refrigerators. Rapid growth in the human energy base has broken down old biological and cultural diversity, and simultaneously led to proliferation of human numbers and individual diversity. The climaxing and decline of energy will inevitably result in a reduction of human numbers, and possibly individual diversity, while stimulating the re-emergence of localised biological and cultural diversity. -- David Holmgren Jan Steinman, EcoReality Co-op ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usubhttp://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usubhttp://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usubhttp://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.orghttp://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.orghttp://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.orghttp://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRAhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRAhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRAhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140803/0d01e1bc/attachment.htmhttp://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140803/0d01e1bc/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usubhttp://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.orghttp://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRAhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140803/ce839383/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?
One ton of A/C is equal to 12,000 btus/hr. and 3420 btus/hr equals 1000 watts. However, it applies to direct conversion such as resistance heating, and not to the compressor operated...Heat Pump, ...my home heat pump shows an EER of 13, indicating the BTUs moved...only require 1/13 of the comparable electrical energy, Careful. EER ignores units to come up wth a marketing number that looks good (13), But that is 13 times more BTU's than WATTS in. So to understand true energy, you have to convert them to the same units (divide by 3.42 BTU/W) and so the actual conversion is 13/3.42 or about 3.8. Still much better than direct (resistance) conversion, but not 13 to 1. Bob, WB4APR -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140803/2b50e234/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] As an aid when recommending an EV to someone else,
good point Roland. Living 11 miles from the closest gas station as I do, with most of them at least 25 miles away, there have been days where I did not have sufficient gas in my car to do a 40 mile trip (20 miles each way, the other direction from the gas station), and had to turn it into a 62 mile trip -- going the opposite direction to get gas, first, then doing the trip. An EV would have been able to charge at the house and ready to go in any direction from it. As a side note, I'm seeing more and more leaf's up in the mountains, where people never used to take EV's (we're a 4,000 foot climb above Boulder). I've seen them up at campgrounds up in the mountains and in Rocky Mountain National Park and all kinds of places. Not just inside the metro area any more. Z On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 7:30 AM, Roland via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: One more thing you can add in range comparison between a EV and a ICE is: I was ask what is the range of my electric, I said it may have the same range of a ICE some of the time and more at other times. The EV has the same maximum range every day, because I charge it once a day or after each trip. Some ICE's do not have that maximum range daily, because they may only fill up once every two weeks or once a month. Thus the convenient of filling up the EV at home may only take 3.5 minutes to charge. Roland - Original Message - From: Dennis Miles via EVmailto:ev@lists.evdl.org To: EVDL Administratormailto:evp...@drmm.net ; Electric Vehicle Discussion Listmailto:ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 11:44 PM Subject: [EVDL] As an aid when recommending an EV to someone else, One question that a potential EV car buyer always asks is Just how far it will take me before another charge is needed? Perhaps we should have another computation available, as comparison, for each vehicle: Cost to drive 40 miles (Average daily commute.) (Dollars per mile.) Time to drive 1,000 miles? Cost for all fuel consumed? Time to drive 2,000 miles ? Cost? Time to drive 3,000 miles ? Cost? Distance drivable in eight hours? Cost? Distance drivable in 16 hours ? Cost ? Footnote: assuming 65 mph average speed and stops as needed for charging or refueling. Not including driver's breaks for food and necessary stops... Dennis Lee Miles (*evprofes...@evprofessor.commailto:*evprofes...@evprofessor.com evprofes...@evprofessor.commailto:evprofes...@evprofessor.com)* * Founder:**EV Tech. Institute Inc.* *Phone #* *(863) 944-9913 (12 noon to 12 midnight Eastern US Time)* *Educating yourself, does not mean you were **stupid; it means, you are intelligent enough, **to know, that there is plenty left to learn!* * You Tube Video link: http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLsshttp://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss * -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140803/11daf569/attachment.htm http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140803/11daf569/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRAhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140803/dd364a9e/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140803/aed00bbf/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] As an aid when recommending an EV to someone else,
On 3 Aug 2014 at 19:58, Roland via EV wrote: You would think that going up and down a hill would take more kwh's more than the same distance you would drive on a level grade. This is where regen comes in. While you won't get all your uphill energy back going down, it certainly does help. I've posted this link several times before. However, I think it's worth reposting, since it demonstrates pretty clearly the difference that regeneration can make in hilly regions - in this case, in the Alps. http://www.brusa.biz/index.php?id=43L=1 According to Mapquest, it's 134 miles from Gams to Stabio. Not bad range for 1997, eh? This was Axel Krause's Mini-Evergreen with Saft NiCd monoblocks, not more exotic NiMH or lithium. The battery was 180v and 100ah, so drop-dead capacity was 18kWh. Assuming they used 90% of the capacity, that would be 121 Wh/mi - about half of what a typical conversion uses. The car weighed 900kg (~1980lb). David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EV versus Gas range..
On Aug 3, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Oh, and Murphy's law says that every time you are late and have to go 100 miles, the gas in your tank will be near empty and so your GAS car has range anxiety! You HAVE to find a gas station. The EV leaves on every trip with a full tank, charged anywhere (if plugged-in while parked). Having had a close relationship with Murphy's Law (Murphy and I must be related), I would suggest that under Murphy's Law, in this situation, there would have been a power outage. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
