Re: [EVDL] Zombie 222

[J Bills via EV]

That video is well worth the watch if you have 15 mins to spare.  Very well
done!

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Rush Dougherty via EV 
wrote:

> John Wayland just put this up on the NEDRA list -
>
> Hello to All,
>
> Here is a teaser link to a web magazine 'The Verge' that will be featuring
> Black
> Zombie later today - the opening paragraph is a fun read:
>
> Dear Verge readers,
>
> Later this morning, you'll be able to read and watch our amazing feature on
> Zombie 222, a 1968 Ford Mustang fastback that's been converted to a
> state-of-the-art, wicked fast electric drivetrain. It's beautiful, weird,
> low-tech, and high-tech, all at the same time.
>
>
> http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/1/8324415/verge-cars-transportation-launch-announ
> cement
>
> See Ya... John Wayland
>
>
> Here is a video that explains the  Zombie 222,
>
> http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/1/8320189/zombie-222-electric-car-1968-mustang-te
> xas-mile
>
> Rush
> Tucson AZ
>
>
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Re: [EVDL] article: World’s first 1 megawatt all-electric race car to compete at Pikes Peak

[Roger Stockton via EV]

Ben Goren wrote:

> Sorry -- I was referring to them seem to really be building a real race
> car, not attempting to verify their claims to bragging rights. The
> megawatt bit, honestly, didn't even register
> 
> b&
> 
> On Apr 2, 2015, at 6:15 PM, Ben Apollonio via EV 
> wrote:
> 
> > Really?  I was pretty sure the title of "first megawatt all-electric
> race car" went to the Maniac Mazda over a decade ago...
> >
> > -Ben

I'm not sure if Maniac Mazda satisfied the 'megawatt' bit, however, Bob Boyd's 
'Megawatt Monster' dragster should have satisfied both the 'megawatt' and 
'all-electric race car' bits, and this (as well as Maniac Mazda) were well over 
a decade ago.

I didn't find specs on the Megawatt monster in a quick search (the car's tranny 
failed at what I believe to be its first real outing, and Bob's health failed 
shortly afterward such that the car's drivetrain was parted out; the Silver 
Bullet (IIRC) ended up with one of its two triplets of motors).

It seems these pictures I took at the Woodburn drags in '99 are still online 
though.  You can clearly see the 6 motors, 3 1200-amp DC controllers, and part 
of the pack of Johnson Controls Inspira AGMs:







It appears that the present incarnation of Maniac Mazda at the same time 
sported 4 1200-amp DCP controllers, so perhaps it was indeed capable of 
'megawatt' level operation:





Cheers,

Roger.

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Re: [EVDL] article: World’s first 1 megawatt all-electric race car to compete at Pikes Peak

[Ben Goren via EV]

Sorry -- I was referring to them seem to really be building a real race car, 
not attempting to verify their claims to bragging rights. The megawatt bit, 
honestly, didn't even register

b&

On Apr 2, 2015, at 6:15 PM, Ben Apollonio via EV  wrote:

> Really?  I was pretty sure the title of "first megawatt all-electric race 
> car" went to the Maniac Mazda over a decade ago...
> 
> -Ben
> 
> On Apr 1, 2015, at 9:50 PM, Ben Goren via EV  wrote:
> 
>> Seems reasonably legit. Nothing about it seems unreasonable.
>> 
>> http://driveeo.com/blog/racing/eo-pp03-one-megawatt-electric-race-car/
>> 
>> The "pp03" refers to "Pike's Peak #3," and they ran it last year and the 
>> year before:
>> 
>> http://driveeo.com/pikes-peak/pp02/
>> 
>> http://driveeo.com/pikes-peak/pp01/
>> 
>> b&
>> 
>> On Apr 1, 2015, at 6:31 PM, Paul Wujek via EV  wrote:
>> 
>>> It's April 1, so maybe this is true:
>>> 
>>> http://www.electricautosport.com/2015/04/worlds-first-1-megawatt-all-electric-race-car-to-compete-at-pikes-peak/
>>> -- 
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Re: [EVDL] article: World’s first 1 megawatt all-electric race car to compete at Pikes Peak

[Ben Apollonio via EV]

Really?  I was pretty sure the title of "first megawatt all-electric race car" 
went to the Maniac Mazda over a decade ago...

-Ben

On Apr 1, 2015, at 9:50 PM, Ben Goren via EV  wrote:

> Seems reasonably legit. Nothing about it seems unreasonable.
> 
> http://driveeo.com/blog/racing/eo-pp03-one-megawatt-electric-race-car/
> 
> The "pp03" refers to "Pike's Peak #3," and they ran it last year and the year 
> before:
> 
> http://driveeo.com/pikes-peak/pp02/
> 
> http://driveeo.com/pikes-peak/pp01/
> 
> b&
> 
> On Apr 1, 2015, at 6:31 PM, Paul Wujek via EV  wrote:
> 
>> It's April 1, so maybe this is true:
>> 
>> http://www.electricautosport.com/2015/04/worlds-first-1-megawatt-all-electric-race-car-to-compete-at-pikes-peak/
>> -- 
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Re: [EVDL] Temperature rating (and Blowing them up!)

[Lee Hart via EV]

From: Robert Bruninga via EV
That's 300 mA at 250 VDC.


Jan Steinman via EV wrote:

The voltage doesn't really matter, does it?


It does indirectly. We're charging Prius packs. Each 6-cell module is 
very flat, and sandwiched tightly between its neighbors. It has almost 
no exposed surface area for cooling. So when you apply 350 ma 
continuously, it is generating about 9v x 0.35a = 3 watts of heat. It 
turns out that this *is* enough to make its temperature soar.


There is also the potential for thermal runaway. This can happen when 
you use a regulated power supply or "smart" charger. As the cells heat 
up, their voltage goes *down*. This fools the charger into think the 
cells aren't fully charged, so it fails to shut off, and may even 
*increase* the current.


What I know (from personal experience) is that continuously charging 
nimh cells *will* cause their temperature to climb, even at low rates. 
If the charger doesn't shut off, this will continue until the cell is 
destroyed.


--
Sometimes when you innovate, you make mistakes. It is best to admit
them quickly and get on with improving your other innovations.
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Re: [EVDL] Temperature rating (and Blowing them up!)

[Mike Nickerson via EV]

I think the problem happens when the constant current charger doesn't stop when 
the cells are full.  The cell can't store the energy, but it has to go 
somewhere.  They are sealed, so it can't just bubble off water like lead-acid 
cells do.  The energy breaks down the electrolyte and builds pressure until the 
cell finally blows.

Once full, I don't think it matters how large or small the current is.  It will 
cause damage and it is additive.

Mike

On April 1, 2015 10:33:42 PM MDT, Jan Steinman via EV  wrote:
>> From: Robert Bruninga via EV 
>> 
>> That's 300 mA at 250 VDC.
>
>The voltage doesn't really matter, does it?
>
>If you're charging with a constant-current source, all but one of the
>cells could short, and the last cell would still see no more than 360
>mW.
>
>If you were charging constant-voltage, and you had a cell short, then
>that would cause the other cells to receive more current, which could
>cause them to short, etc. until you burn up the string. But it
>shouldn't happen on a correctly-operating constant-current charger, no?
>
> Jan Steinman, EcoReality Co-op 
>
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[EVDL] 4/1-J4L : Tesla-H&W, Aton-Ticket-Avoidance-Mode (v)

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[EVDL] EVLN: Kia Dealer.ca Sez You Don't Want To Buy A Kia Soul EV

[brucedp5 via EV]

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1097512_you-shouldnt-want-to-buy-a-kia-soul-ev-says-kia-dealer
You Shouldn't Want To Buy A Kia Soul EV, Says Kia Dealer
By John Voelcker  Mar 30, 2015  ht2 Cody Osborne, Matthew Moreno

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DC fast charging 2015 Kia Soul EV
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It's often said that one of the bigger impediments to sales of electric cars
is car dealerships.

Among plug-in car shoppers, stories abound of salespeople who know little or
nothing about electric vehicles, misrepresent their abilities, and
aggressively steer shoppers away from them toward gasoline alternatives.

Rarely, however, is this kind of behavior documented for the world to see.

Which leads us to the case of the buyer who contacted Kia of Vancouver in
British Columbia, Canada, to ask about the Kia Soul EV.

As covered last week by InsideEVs, an Internet sales manager at the
dealership, Phil Curtin, responded with a remarkable letter explaining why
the buyer shouldn't be interested in the Soul EV--or indeed in any electric
car.

Curtin wrote,

Thank you for your interest in the Soul EV.

Are you interested because you think an EV will save you money, or because
you believe it will be good for the environment? Because realistically, it
will do neither. The Carbon footprint of making the electric battery is
equivalent to driving the gas powered luxury Soul for 5 years, and the extra
8-1 $ you will pay for an EV, would pay for gas in a 2.0 l GDI four
cylinder for 7 years.

So again, whatever your buying motivation, savings or environment, at this
point in time, the EV is a social / political statement and is good neither
for your pocketbook, nor the environment.

The startled buyer posted the letter online, and a small firestorm ensued.

In due course, that led to a sort-of-apology from Jason Wong, saying
Curtin's e-mail was "not a good sounding tone" [sic].

Wong then reiterated the point that a conventional Soul tops out at roughly
C$30,000, while the Soul EV is priced at C$40,000.

He did note, however, that the provincial government had just reinstated its
Clean Energy Vehicle incentive program (which will take effect April 1).

The Kia Soul EV will then be eligible for a point-of-purchase rebate of up
to C$5,000 (US $4,000).

Wong then criticized electric cars, using talking points about environmental
issues--nickel mining and the fuel burned by ships carrying cars from other
countries.

Then his note effectively shrugs, saying, "There is no point getting into
this as it boils down to perspective with strong points on both ends."

He went on to say

Unfortunately, the tone of my salesman was very very poor. The exact same
thing could have been said in a much more appropriate manner with less of a
tone of “you shouldn’t buy an EV because blah blah blah blah”.

And he ends by noting that Kia of Vancouver is not authorized to sell the
Soul EV in the first place.

In other words, rather than pointing the buyer to another Kia dealer that
carried the Soul EV, Curtin deprecated the buyer's reasons for wanting one,
selectively chose a few facts to use in talking down the car, and sneered at
electric cars as a "social/political statement" rather than practical
transportation.

And then his sales manager did pretty much the same thing, in the guise of
an apology.

And dealerships wonder why the data shows most buyers dislike and feel taken
advantage of during the car-buying experience?

While their lobbyists work to make any other alternatives (direct online
sales) illegal?
[© 2015 Green Car Reports]
...
http://insideevs.com/kia-dealer-lies-anti-sell-soul-ev-dealership-manager-writes-apology-letter/
Kia Dealer Anti-Sells Soul EV, Bad Mouths Product – Manager Writes “Apology”
Letter
...
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1090281_many-car-dealers-dont-want-to-sell-electric-cars-heres-why
Many Car Dealers Don't Want To Sell Electric Cars: Here's Why
...
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1094991_electric-car-buyers-slam-dealer-experience-dealers-dont-like-em-either
Electric Car Buyers Slam Dealer Experience; Dealers Don't Like 'Em Either



https://transportevolved.com/2015/03/30/a-few-bad-eggs-or-a-continuing-epidemic-how-some-dealerships-still-cant-or-wont-sell-electric-cars/
A Few Bad Eggs or a Continuing Epidemic: How Some Dealerships Still Can’t
(or Won’t) Sell Electric Cars
March 30, 2015 By Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield

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Tesla stores: the way electric cars should be sold?

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[EVDL] EVLN: 2015 Kia Soul> The nearly perfect EV

[brucedp5 via EV]

http://www.commdiginews.com/featured/2015-kia-soul-ev-the-nearly-perfect-electric-vehicle-38639/
Driving Green with Sheryll Alexander
2015 Kia Soul EV: The nearly perfect electric vehicle
by Sheryll Alexander - Mar 26, 2015

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2015 Soul EV

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2015 Kia Soul EV Central Console

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LOS ANGELES, March. 26, 2015 — Not only is the 2015 Kia Soul EV perhaps the
most affordable, roomy, utilitarian, fun-to-drive, fast-charging electric
vehicle (EV) on the road today, but this zero emissions urban hipster car
will now soon be available in six states: California, Oregon, Washington,
Georgia, Texas and Hawaii. Come along on a 2015 Kia Soul EV road test.

Kia recently announced that its Kia Soul EV will be available at select
dealerships by June in five more states (other than California): Oregon,
Washington, Georgia, Texas and Hawaii. It’s no surprise Kia is expanding its
only EV into more territory as this “clean mobility” Soul has won many
awards including “best eco-friendly vehicle” in MotorWeek’s Drivers’ Choice
Awards and U.S. News & World Report’s “best cars for families” in its
hatchback category.

Our bright blue road test 2015 Kia Soul EV won our daughter’s “best car
ever!” award, and that’s saying something as this smart 11-year-old girl has
had the opportunity to ride in hundreds of vehicles practically since birth.
In fact — on our week-long road test in LA’s posh Hollywood Hills — we
became completely enamored with the Soul EV, not just for the roomy interior
and overall excellent performance, but also for its way cool infotainment
system, driving range (about 105 miles of combined highway and city riding)
and fast charging capabilities.

Price
The 2015 Kia Soul EV comes in two trim levels: Base and Plus. The base model
costs $33,700 (or $249 a month lease) while the “Plus” is just two thousand
more dollars at $35,700 (both prices not including the federal tax rebate of
$7,500 and potential state incentives).

Standard Features
The 2015 Kia Soul EV is equipped with loads of advanced technology including
an eight-inch infotainment screen (as well as hands-free navigation), rear
view camera, Bluetooth capability, cruise control, power driver’s seat,
power windows, air conditioning, 16-inch alloy wheels, a 6.6kW on board
charger with “direct current” (DC) fast charging port and UVO EV (real-time
battery) infotainment and smartphone app services. The “Plus” trim adds
heated rear seats, fog lamps, power-folding outside mirrors, leather-trimmed
seats and “tri-level” heated seats and ventilation for front passengers.

Exterior
Outside, the Soul EV looks just like gas-powered Soul vehicles.
Surprisingly, our road test model made us smile every time we walked up to
it for an all-electric ride. The broad stance and squareness of the Soul
definitely give it funky, modern appeal and all in a good way. For now, the
Kia Soul EV is only available in four colors: “Caribbean” blue (white roof),
“shadow” black (“inferno” red roof), “titanium” gray and “clear” white.

Interior
The interior is where the Kia Soul EV really shines. First off, Kia’s build
quality is excellent and it shows. Secondly, the Soul’s roomy cabin seems
like it was built with families or busy, active people in mind. Big windows,
comfortable seats (with blue or black saddle stitching), lots of handy bins
and all the technology the modern family could desire is built right into
this hot hatch. The Soul EV even gets a little more polish than its
gas-powered brethren with standout gleaming white metal accents on the
center console, instrument and door panels. And did you know Kia has
received the very first ever “automotive environmental claim validation” for
using bio-based organic content (for interior plastics)? How cool (and
green) is that? Lastly, rear seat legroom (36 inches) is comfortable even
for tall adults, especially when compared to other EVs such as Fiat 500e and
Chevy Spark.

Infotainment
Truly, Kia Soul’s infotainment screen is bad ass. Surrounded by a shiny
white metal plate, this huge screen with crisp graphics comes standard and
also includes a complimentary, five-year subscription to Kia’s new “UVO2
eServices Package.” Not only does UVO2 deliver hands-free navigation
services, but it also provides loads of valuable information for EV drivers
such as real-time battery status, distance to empty, preset charging times,
charging level ratios and air and heat “preconditioning.” And if that i

Re: [EVDL] ENERDEL Battery Experiences

[Michael Ross via EV]

Why is it you think I am making this up?  I have no reason to do anything,
but report what has been found using the new testing.  I just read the
papers, talked to the people, and watched that video enough to follow it.

"Automotive product validation is pretty rigorous."

Apparently, they did it wrong.  It is rigorous, and expensive, but not
sufficient.   Nissan did it wrong, GM chose to use an inferior cell, but
added cooling and fared better than Nissan. Fiskar could have made better
choices.  None of them knew better.

They did this because the testing was not good enough.  This has been
the state of Li ion testing for decades.  A consequence is that people like
BIll look at 300 or 500 cycles and think that is OK.  We see 3000 cycles on
a spec sheet and think that is hooey; but maybe 5000 or 1 cycles is
really possible.  We have been flying blind.

This is the whole point - The old style  testing is inadequate, if it is
not set up right.  If it is set up right it takes a very long time to
detect cell damage because it is not not accurate or precise enough.
Nobody does it long enough, because it is too expensive.  This has held
back cell development.

 It is common that the testing is not very useful because prior to HPC it
took to long to see a problem.  You can run a lot of cycles, for months and
reveal nothing.  It looks good on paper if no one knows enough to be
critical of it.  Blah blah blah.  It is what it is.



Anecdotally, I have a couple of LFP packs on my LEV that are crap after
maybe 50 cycles.  I do know that I have charged them as high as their BMS
let them go out in the hot sun. The larger one used to get me 24 miles.
Last time about 15.  The smaller pack used to get me 13 now 8.  I can't get
my commute done any more with both of them freshly charged.  Is this sort
of high heat and high charge the reason? I don't know, but it fits.  I
definitely charged them at temps above 35°C and probably left them sitting
fully charged at 40°C for a many days.  The science says, I did them more
harm sitting that I did riding or charging.

Before I spend another thousand on new packs I am going to figure out how
to eliminate conditions that cause damage.

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 10:55 PM, Jeff Major via EV 
wrote:

>
>
>
>
>  On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 12:42 PM, Michael Ross <
> michael.e.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>  Jeff,
> I am not sure why performance at ambient temperatures should make anyone
> feel confident about a cell.  LFP for instance, starts to have serious
> difficulties at 104°F if it is fully charged.  That is certainly ambient
> here in North Carolina; and that is free air, not boxed up with significant
> amperage scooting about.
> >>>>>>>>>>> 40degC ambient is what you're concerned about, isn't it?  Not
> uncommon for automotive.  My point was they surely tested there, and likely
> higher.  Automotive product validation is pretty rigorous.  I can't imagine
> they overlooked it.
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*Warren Buffet*

Michael E. Ross
(919) 585-6737 Land
(919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> Google Phone
(919) 631-1451 Cell

michael.e.r...@gmail.com

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