Re: [EVDL] Easy EV Comparison - The Enemy is Us?

[Mark Abramowitz via EV]

Got it.

On emissions, in California it's tailpipe that's important, so from that 
standpoint, Tesla is still far superior.

If you want to go behind that, it gets murkier (particularly if you want to use 
lead acid batteries).

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> On Jun 7, 2015, at 12:33 PM, Ben Goren via EV  wrote:
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Mark Abramowitz  wrote:
>> 
>> But not matching the Tesla in one important (to me, anyway) respect - 
>> emissions.
> 
> Well, yes and no.
> 
> It'll mostly be an all-electric vehicle -- to the point that, as with Volt 
> owners, save for road trips, I'll have to pay attention to not letting the 
> gasoline get stale in the tank.
> 
> When the gasoline motor is running, it'll mostly be cruising at freeway 
> speeds, where it's at its most efficient. In hybrid mode, I'll be able to 
> shift almost all of the acceleration load to the electric motors and apply 
> just enough regen when cruising to keep enough charge in the batteries for 
> that purpose.
> 
> And the engine is going to have a modern self-tuning fuel injection system, 
> so that maximum efficiency and minimum emissions are pretty much guaranteed, 
> at least for this type of engine.
> 
> And the electricity for the batteries will be generated from the solar panels 
> on my rooftop.
> 
> And it doesn't have the Tesla's not insubstantial manufacturing 
> environmental, especially considering that most people buying Teslas have 
> been buying new cars every three to five years, whereas this is the first car 
> I've ever bought, the second car I've ever owned, and the other car I still 
> own and is also older than I am.
> 
> ...not to mention it costing a tiny fraction of the price of a Tesla. Or the 
> fact that I'll be able to easily upgrade the battery pack with newer 
> technology as it makes economic sense (and, presumably, re-purpose the old 
> one for grid backup / peak shaving / whatever).
> 
> And it'll never spy on me, unless I make it do so.
> 
> So, it might not be as ideologically pure as a Tesla, but it's damned close, 
> and the Tesla ain't so lily-white, either.
> 
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Re: [EVDL] Easy EV Comparison - The Enemy is Us?

[Mark Abramowitz via EV]

But not matching the Tesla in one important (to me, anyway) respect - emissions.

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> On Jun 7, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Ben Goren via EV  wrote:
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV  wrote:
>> 
>> A Chevy Volt was designed
>> just for this lady!
> 
> Almost...but not quite. Never mind how older generations did just fine with 
> station wagons and even, in my own case, VW Bugs as "family cars," today's 
> suburbanites "need" an SUV for their kids. The Volt, rightly or worngly, 
> would be dismissed as impractical -- as would, to be fair, the Cruz as well.
> 
> You're right that PHEVs may well be crucial in bridging the gap between ICE 
> and BEV cars. It's why I'm personally planning on not a BEV conversion for my 
> '64 1/2 Mustang but a PHEV one -- with the end result having roughly the same 
> driving range specs as the Volt and the performance specs of a Tesla P85D, 
> all in one of the most iconic vehicles ever made.
> 
> There's also the _perceived_ price premium even for the Volt. If the Volt 
> cost as much more than the Cruz as, once upon a time, 
> automatic-transmission-equipped models cost more than ones with standard 
> transmissions, people would be much more interested in the car. As it is, 
> though, people see the Volt as a seriously overpriced Cruz with some 
> technogeek gewgaws that might be nifty but they really don't care that much 
> about.
> 
> We're definitely there for many people, including many who don't realize that 
> we're there. But we're still a ways from being there for a majority, let 
> alone everybody.
> 
> ...but not for long!
> 
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Re: [EVDL] Comuta-Car PbSO4 batteries

[Gail Lucas via EV]

Wow!  What an amazing bunch of info on GC batteries.  Thank you to everyone 
who contributed comments and expert opinions.  Bruce, you went to a lot of 
trouble to even find local dealers for us and documentation on the cars, 
which I appreciate very much.  I knew there were many C-Car owners out there 
and you all offered great advice.  I do not yet know what the new owners are 
planning but at least they can see what the options are.  I really want them 
to enjoy the Comuta-Car as much as I did, not be disappointed by battery 
failures.  My C-Cars were my favorite EVs.


I apologize for the delay in thanking you all.  I have been struggling with 
some computer problems which I finally mostly resolved last night.


Gail


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Re: [EVDL] Easy EV Comparison - The Enemy is Us?

[Tom Keenan via EV]

> It'll mostly be an all-electric vehicle -- to the point that, as with Volt 
> owners, save for road trips, I'll have to pay attention to not letting the 
> gasoline get stale in the tank.

In speaking with Volt manufacturer reps, they say that the Volt engineers 
thought of that as well.  They programmed the vehicle to turn on the engine 
(while driving - may take several trips if they are short) and use a good 
portion of the fuel if it detects that it hasn't been fueled in a year.  

Apparently, even the most conscientious Volt owner will have to go to the gas 
station and fill up every once in a while.  

Tom Keenan
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Re: [EVDL] Easy EV Comparison

[Mark Abramowitz via EV]

Great post.

I wish that more people realized that you can't expect to put a square peg into 
a round hole.

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> On Jun 6, 2015, at 8:07 PM, Ben Goren via EV  wrote:
> 
> I think a lot of "the gas folks" really do get that. The problem is that, 
> especially in the more sprawling metropolises, their lives are built such 
> that a car with only a two gallon "tank" just isn't any use to them.
> 
> I have a good friend who lives in Surprise, Arizona, a suburb of Phoenix. She 
> works in downtown Phoenix, about 20 miles away. So far so good, right? That's 
> well within a Leaf's range. But she also not infrequently has to go to a 
> satellite office in Mesa, which is another 20 miles on the other side of 
> Phoenix. That works out to an 80 mile round trip, which is starting to get 
> iffy for the Leaf. And this is Phoenix, so that means air conditioning in the 
> summer isn't optional, especially when outside temperatures are well above 
> 110°F -- and that _definitely_ makes it iffy.
> 
> But, of course, it doesn't just stop there...her in-laws live in Surprise, 
> which is about fifteen miles north of Goodyear and about 30 miles by freeway 
> from Phoenix. She not infrequently needs to get her kids to or from school in 
> Goodyear to their grandparents in Surprise -- and, of course, do this at the 
> end or start of the schoolday and without any time to "gas up." Even if she's 
> only working in Phoenix that day, that's pushing it for the Leaf -- and a 
> recipe for disaster if that happens to coincide with a trip to Mesa.
> 
> And, of course, in nearly all situations, leaves her without any "Murphy 
> factor," without any room for contingencies, or options like going out of the 
> way to some interesting place for lunch, or a quick trip to the airport to 
> pick somebody up, and so on.
> 
> Now, on the one hand, you could suggest that maybe she should live closer to 
> work and her in-laws should move closer to her. For all sorts of reasons not 
> worth discussing here, neither is an option, I can assure you. You could also 
> suggest that maybe she could get an electric vehicle and her husband can keep 
> a gasoline vehicle...but he actually works at the same office as she does, 
> and their child-taxi and similar duties are shared equally. Juggling who gets 
> the electric and who gets the gas would get awkward, especially if something 
> came up at the last minute...and does them little good if the one has to go 
> to Mesa the same day the other has to go to Surprise; whoever gets stuck with 
> the EV gets stuck, literally, by the side of the freeway in hundred-plus 
> weather waiting for a tow.
> 
> And she's not at all an atypical case for somebody in the Valley of the Sun. 
> Pretty much the norm, in fact -- especially amongst those with the disposable 
> income that, until just very recently, has been required to even consider an 
> electric vehicle.
> 
> So she and the millions like her who live here really aren't realistic 
> candidates for an electric vehicle, no matter how sweet the cars so often are 
> nor the convenience of starting each day with a full "tank" without having to 
> go to the gas station.
> 
> Now, when realistic ranges, with the air conditioning running full blast in 
> the Phoenix summer and the rest, get solidly in the 200+ mile range, and 
> especially the 300+ mile range, and for "kid-friendly" minivans...well, at 
> that future date, you probably won't be able to stop her from buying one.
> 
> Until then?
> 
> Best to focus on those -- such as my parents -- for whom today's EVs are a 
> match made in heaven. They're still the minority, at least where I live...but 
> it's a rapidly growing minority with every new generation of vehicles.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> b&
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2015, at 6:52 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV  wrote:
>> 
>> One way to describe the new Paradigm that EV’s bring to daily living to the
>> typical gas driver is to say something like this:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> “Imagine if every day you came home and parked, you could stick a hose in
>> your gas tank and get 2 gallons every night for only $1 a gallon.”
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Well, that’s exactly what you get with an EV when you come home and plug it
>> into just your standard 120v outlet.  Overnight, in 12 hours at 10 cents
>> per kWh, you pick up 50 miles range for only about $2 of electricity.  And
>> the car is FULL the next day.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Maybe then the gas folks will finally get it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Bob Bruninga, WB4APR
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Re: [EVDL] Easy EV Comparison - The Enemy is Us?

[Ben Goren via EV]

On Jun 7, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Mark Abramowitz  wrote:

> But not matching the Tesla in one important (to me, anyway) respect - 
> emissions.

Well, yes and no.

It'll mostly be an all-electric vehicle -- to the point that, as with Volt 
owners, save for road trips, I'll have to pay attention to not letting the 
gasoline get stale in the tank.

When the gasoline motor is running, it'll mostly be cruising at freeway speeds, 
where it's at its most efficient. In hybrid mode, I'll be able to shift almost 
all of the acceleration load to the electric motors and apply just enough regen 
when cruising to keep enough charge in the batteries for that purpose.

And the engine is going to have a modern self-tuning fuel injection system, so 
that maximum efficiency and minimum emissions are pretty much guaranteed, at 
least for this type of engine.

And the electricity for the batteries will be generated from the solar panels 
on my rooftop.

And it doesn't have the Tesla's not insubstantial manufacturing environmental, 
especially considering that most people buying Teslas have been buying new cars 
every three to five years, whereas this is the first car I've ever bought, the 
second car I've ever owned, and the other car I still own and is also older 
than I am.

...not to mention it costing a tiny fraction of the price of a Tesla. Or the 
fact that I'll be able to easily upgrade the battery pack with newer technology 
as it makes economic sense (and, presumably, re-purpose the old one for grid 
backup / peak shaving / whatever).

And it'll never spy on me, unless I make it do so.

So, it might not be as ideologically pure as a Tesla, but it's damned close, 
and the Tesla ain't so lily-white, either.

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Re: [EVDL] Easy EV Comparison - The Enemy is Us?

[Ben Goren via EV]

On Jun 7, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV  wrote:

> A Chevy Volt was designed
> just for this lady!

Almost...but not quite. Never mind how older generations did just fine with 
station wagons and even, in my own case, VW Bugs as "family cars," today's 
suburbanites "need" an SUV for their kids. The Volt, rightly or worngly, would 
be dismissed as impractical -- as would, to be fair, the Cruz as well.

You're right that PHEVs may well be crucial in bridging the gap between ICE and 
BEV cars. It's why I'm personally planning on not a BEV conversion for my '64 
1/2 Mustang but a PHEV one -- with the end result having roughly the same 
driving range specs as the Volt and the performance specs of a Tesla P85D, all 
in one of the most iconic vehicles ever made.

There's also the _perceived_ price premium even for the Volt. If the Volt cost 
as much more than the Cruz as, once upon a time, 
automatic-transmission-equipped models cost more than ones with standard 
transmissions, people would be much more interested in the car. As it is, 
though, people see the Volt as a seriously overpriced Cruz with some technogeek 
gewgaws that might be nifty but they really don't care that much about.

We're definitely there for many people, including many who don't realize that 
we're there. But we're still a ways from being there for a majority, let alone 
everybody.

...but not for long!

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[EVDL] Easy EV Comparison - Glass half empty

[Robert Bruninga via EV]

Nice Quote, but half empty...   His ilk will be left in the dust.

To me, every morning I leave the house, I leave with a FULL Fuel (battery)
tank because it was filled up at home overnight with 5 seconds of effort
on my part.  Every day I begin with MAX range   Bob, WB4APR

-Original Message-

> I think it was Lee Iacocca who once described driving an EV, probably
Chrysler's own EPIC, as "like leaving home every day with the 'low fuel'
light on."  That's maybe a bit paraphrased, since I'm too lazy to look up
the exact quotation, but it's close.
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[EVDL] Easy EV Comparison - The Enemy is Us?

[Robert Bruninga via EV]

If we condone the arguments below, then maybe the enemy of EV's is us?

A Plug-in Hybrid would serve this lady's driving just fine.  She gets
maximum EV mileage and she gets maximum range when needed.  Lets not let
the perfect be the enemy of the good-enough.   A Chevy Volt was designed
just for this lady!

> The problem is that, especially in the more sprawling metropolises,
their lives are built such that a car with only a two gallon "tank" just
isn't any use to them.
> I have a good friend who lives in Surprise, Arizona, a suburb of
Phoenix. She works in downtown Phoenix, about 20 miles away... But she
also not infrequently has to go to a satellite office in Mesa, which is
another 20 miles on the other side of Phoenix. That works out to an 80
mile round trip, which is starting to get iffy for the Leaf. And this is
Phoenix, so that means air conditioning in the summer isn't optional,
especially when outside temperatures are well above 110°F -- and that
_definitely_ makes it iffy.

She can get to each of those places on 100% electric in a Volt.  And if
she simply plugs into 120v outlets at each, she can be fully repelnsiehd
for each leg of the trip too.  Instead of saying an "EV can't do this" we
should instead be focusing on all employers to provide rows of 120v
outlets for these people.  Cost to fill a Volt is about $1.60.

>.her in-laws live in Surprise, which is about fifteen miles north of
Goodyear and about 30 miles by freeway from Phoenix. She not infrequently
needs to get her kids to or from school in Goodyear to their grandparents
in Surprise -- and, of course, do this at the end or start of the
schoolday and without any time to "gas up." Even if she's only working in
Phoenix that day, that's pushing it for the Leaf -- and a recipe for
disaster if that happens to coincide with a trip to Mesa.

Get a Volt Plugin-Hybrid.   Done.

> And, of course, in nearly all situations, leaves her without any "Murphy
factor," without any room for contingencies, or options like going out of
the way to some interesting place for lunch, or a quick trip to the
airport to pick somebody up, and so on.

Get a Volt Plugin-Hybrid.   Done.

> Now, on the one hand, you could suggest that maybe she should live
closer to work and her in-laws should move closer to her. For all sorts of
reasons not worth discussing here, neither is an option, I can assure you.
You could also suggest that maybe she could get an electric vehicle and
her husband can keep a gasoline vehicle...but he actually works at the
same office as she does, and their child-taxi and similar duties are
shared equally. Juggling who gets the electric and who gets the gas would
get awkward, especially if something came up at the last minute...and does
them little good if the one has to go to Mesa the same day the other has
to go to Surprise; whoever gets stuck with the EV gets stuck, literally,
by the side of the freeway in hundred-plus weather waiting for a tow.

Get TWO Volt Plugin-Hybrids.   Done.

> And she's not at all an atypical case for somebody in the Valley of the
Sun. Pretty much the norm, in fact -- especially amongst those with the
disposable income that, until just very recently, has been required to
even consider an electric vehicle.

So, Get a Volt Plugin-Hybrid.  Which is now less than the average cost of
a gasoline car... Done

> So she and the millions like her who live here really aren't realistic
candidates for an electric vehicle, no matter how sweet the cars so often
are nor the convenience of starting each day with a full "tank" without
having to go to the gas station.

Yes they are, if one matches the EV car to the Driver's need.  There IS a
model that can do all she wants.  There are FORTY (40) on the market.
Surely one will meet her needs.

> Now, when realistic ranges, with the air conditioning running full blast
in the Phoenix summer and the rest, get solidly in the 200+ mile range,
and especially the 300+ mile range, and for "kid-friendly"
minivans...well, at that future date, you probably won't be able to stop
her from buying one.

We shoot ourselves in the foot if we  let people continue to think they
need 200 mile range for everyday use.  Especiallly when that 200 mile
advantage almost DOUIBLES the cost of the car.  (Every trip above
described was less than the 40 mile EV range of a Volt..  And if she plugs
in while parked (the new-coming-norm), then an EV will suit her perfectly.

> Until then?

Not then, NOW.  We need to stop waiting for the perfect when what we have
now is good enough to satisfy 90% of everyone's driving needs and a
plug-in Hybrid can meet 100% of them.

> Best to focus on those -- such as my parents -- for whom today's EVs are
a match made in heaven. They're still the minority, at least where I
live...but it's a rapidly growing minority with every new generation of
vehicles.

Finally, we agree!

Bob Bruninga, WB4APR

On Jun 6, 2015, at 6:52 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV 
wrote:

> One way to describe the new Parad

Re: [EVDL] Easy EV Comparison

[Brandon Hines via EV]

Well said, Ben!  I love my leaf and it fits well within my life
circumstances, but I recognize that there are many factors that dictate
if an 80 mile range EV is at all practical.  The city in which you
live.  Where you live relative to work.  If you have kids who
participate in after school activities.  The terrain of your community. 
If you are a home owner.  The climate of where you live.  Etc.  Every
incremental increase in range opens up the practicality of owning an EV
for more and more people. 

I do not, however, think that EVs will need to increase their capacity
to 300 miles on a charge before they become mainstream.  I think that
the tipping point will be closer to 200 miles if coupled with a
reasonable long distance charging infrastructure.  There will always be
a segment of the population for which an EV will not be a fit just like
today there is a segment of the population that lives in densely
populated cities for which a gas car is not a fit. 

-Brandon

On 06/06/2015 10:07 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
> I think a lot of "the gas folks" really do get that. The problem is that, 
> especially in the more sprawling metropolises, their lives are built such 
> that a car with only a two gallon "tank" just isn't any use to them.
>
> I have a good friend who lives in Surprise, Arizona, a suburb of Phoenix. She 
> works in downtown Phoenix, about 20 miles away. So far so good, right? That's 
> well within a Leaf's range. But she also not infrequently has to go to a 
> satellite office in Mesa, which is another 20 miles on the other side of 
> Phoenix. That works out to an 80 mile round trip, which is starting to get 
> iffy for the Leaf. And this is Phoenix, so that means air conditioning in the 
> summer isn't optional, especially when outside temperatures are well above 
> 110°F -- and that _definitely_ makes it iffy.
>
> But, of course, it doesn't just stop there...her in-laws live in Surprise, 
> which is about fifteen miles north of Goodyear and about 30 miles by freeway 
> from Phoenix. She not infrequently needs to get her kids to or from school in 
> Goodyear to their grandparents in Surprise -- and, of course, do this at the 
> end or start of the schoolday and without any time to "gas up." Even if she's 
> only working in Phoenix that day, that's pushing it for the Leaf -- and a 
> recipe for disaster if that happens to coincide with a trip to Mesa.
>
> And, of course, in nearly all situations, leaves her without any "Murphy 
> factor," without any room for contingencies, or options like going out of the 
> way to some interesting place for lunch, or a quick trip to the airport to 
> pick somebody up, and so on.
>
> Now, on the one hand, you could suggest that maybe she should live closer to 
> work and her in-laws should move closer to her. For all sorts of reasons not 
> worth discussing here, neither is an option, I can assure you. You could also 
> suggest that maybe she could get an electric vehicle and her husband can keep 
> a gasoline vehicle...but he actually works at the same office as she does, 
> and their child-taxi and similar duties are shared equally. Juggling who gets 
> the electric and who gets the gas would get awkward, especially if something 
> came up at the last minute...and does them little good if the one has to go 
> to Mesa the same day the other has to go to Surprise; whoever gets stuck with 
> the EV gets stuck, literally, by the side of the freeway in hundred-plus 
> weather waiting for a tow.
>
> And she's not at all an atypical case for somebody in the Valley of the Sun. 
> Pretty much the norm, in fact -- especially amongst those with the disposable 
> income that, until just very recently, has been required to even consider an 
> electric vehicle.
>
> So she and the millions like her who live here really aren't realistic 
> candidates for an electric vehicle, no matter how sweet the cars so often are 
> nor the convenience of starting each day with a full "tank" without having to 
> go to the gas station.
>
> Now, when realistic ranges, with the air conditioning running full blast in 
> the Phoenix summer and the rest, get solidly in the 200+ mile range, and 
> especially the 300+ mile range, and for "kid-friendly" minivans...well, at 
> that future date, you probably won't be able to stop her from buying one.
>
> Until then?
>
> Best to focus on those -- such as my parents -- for whom today's EVs are a 
> match made in heaven. They're still the minority, at least where I live...but 
> it's a rapidly growing minority with every new generation of vehicles.
>
> Cheers,
>
> b&
>
> On Jun 6, 2015, at 6:52 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV  wrote:
>
>> One way to describe the new Paradigm that EV’s bring to daily living to the
>> typical gas driver is to say something like this:
>>
>>
>>
>> “Imagine if every day you came home and parked, you could stick a hose in
>> your gas tank and get 2 gallons every night for only $1 a gallon.”
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, that’s exactly wh

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Get a charge out of electric cars at Fairfield Woods Library
June 6, 2015 

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Learn about electric cars at a Wednesday meeting at the Fairfield Woods
Branch Library.

The event starts at 7 p.m. in the library, 1147 Fairfield Woods Road.

Answering questions will be Scott Thompson, chairman of the town’s Clean
Energy Task Force, and Jim Motavalli [
http://jimmotavalli.com
], a blogger for NPR’s Car Talk [
http://cartalk.com/blogs/jim-motavalli
] and a host on radio station WPKN-FM [
http://wpkn.org/shows/jim-motavalli-2/
].

There now are more than 20 electric car models on the market, while there
are 10 charging stations, with more on the way this year, in Fairfield. One
of those charging stations is at the branch library. 

The program is free. Register online at fairfieldpubliclibrary.org or call
203-255-7308.
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[EVDL] greatriverenergy.com Lets MN EVs charge off MNRevolt.com Wind Energy

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Electric Co-op Lets EV Owners Tap into Wind Energy
04 June 2015

Great River Energy, a Minnesota-based not-for-profit electric cooperative,
and its participating member cooperatives have launched Revolt, a program
Great River says allows customers to fuel their vehicles with 100% wind
energy at no additional cost.

Great River Energy says renewable sources are already part of its power mix,
but the Revolt program provides a more direct connection between wind energy
and the EV driver.

Technically, the co-op explains, energy comes from all kinds of sources, and
once it hits the grid, there's no way of telling where it came from.
However, when renewable energy is added to the mix, a renewable energy
credit (REC) is created that embodies all of the environmental benefits of
that energy. When an EV owner joins the Revolt program, Great River will
dedicate wind energy RECs on the owner's behalf, completely offsetting the
energy used to power the EV.

"Our Revolt program allows consumers to further support the use of renewable
energy. We are dedicating wind energy to completely cover the electricity
that a consumer uses to fuel an electric vehicle for the vehicle's
lifetime," says David Ranallo, Great River Energy's Revolt program manager.
"We're thrilled to offer this innovative program and hope it acts as a spark
to ignite awareness around electric vehicles in Minnesota."

To be eligible for participation in Revolt, a cooperative member must
currently own, purchase or lease a plug-in electric vehicle or plug-in
hybrid electric vehicle by Dec. 31, 2016. A household can enroll up to four
EVs in the program. Standard or off-peak rates still apply for electricity
used to fuel the vehicles.

More information about the Revolt program is available at MNRevolt.com.
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[EVDL] EVLN: JohannesburgU Ilanga2 solar-EV on 4‚160km educational trip 6/18

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http://www.timeslive.co.za/scitech/2015/06/03/Solar-car-from-UJ-to-set-off-on-longest-trip-yet
Solar car from UJ to set off on longest trip yet
RDM News Wire | 03 June, 2015

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Ilanga II, the University of Johannesburg Energy Movement’s solar powered
electric car.

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UJ Solar team's Ilanga II on the road
]

A solar powered electric car will cross the border from South Africa into
Namibia and Botswana later this month‚ in a 4‚160km educational road trip.

Engineering students from the University of Johannesburg will be collecting
and analyzing data to optimise the performance of the vehicle during the
trip‚ which starts on June 18.

Mechanical Engineering Science lecturer and the UJ Energy Movement Programme
Manager‚ Nickey Janse van Rensburg‚ said in a statement: “The UJ Energy
Movement programme was established in 2010 to help promote skills
development‚ energy conservation and sustainability through technology
innovation.

We are really excited to be taking Ilanga II (the solar powered electric
vehicle) on its longest trip yet and introducing the programme to our
neighbours across Africa”.

Team and Technology Manger of the Energy Movement programme‚ Warren Hunter‚
said there are a lot of logistical arrangements behind The 2015 African
Solar Drive.

“A team of engineers and academics has been involved in the technical
planning of this 12-day road trip to make sure operations run as smoothly as
possible”.

The 2015 African Solar Drive route and lecture dates are as follows:

• Tuesday‚ 09 June: Johannesburg (Public Lecture and launch of African Solar
Drive)

• Thursday‚ 18 June: UJ Solar Lab - Kimberley (Public Lecture)

• Friday‚ 19 June: Kimberley – Upington (Public Lecture)

• Saturday‚ 20 June: Upington) – Hakskeen Pan – Rietfontein Border Control –
Keetmans Hoop

• Sunday‚ 21 June: Keetmanshoop – Mariental – Rehoboth

• Monday‚ 22 June: Rehoboth – Windhoek (Public Lecture)

• Tuesday‚ 23 June: Windhoek– Swakopmund – Walvis Bay

• Wednesday‚ 24 June: Walvis Bay – Swakopmund

• Thursday‚ 25 June: Swakopmund – Windhoek – Buitepos

• Friday‚ 26 June: Buitepos – Kang

• Saturday‚ 27 June: Kang – Sekoma – Kanye – Gabarone

• Sunday‚ 28 June: Gaborone Day (Public Lecture)

• Monday‚ 29 June: Gaborone – UJ Solar Lab
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UJ solar car to cross into Namibia, Botswana in June
By: Megan van Wyngaardt  [2015-06-03]  ...

UJ Energy Movement programme team and technology manager Warren Hunter
explained that there were “a lot” of logistical arrangements behind the 2015
African Solar Drive. “A team of engineers and academics has been involved in
the technical planning of this 12-day road trip to ensure operations run as
smoothly as possible.

Mitsubishi is the official transport partner of the ground patrol team. 

THE ILANGA II CAR FACTS 
The rear-wheel drive car has 4 wheels and in-hub motors. The motor is
capable of 10 kW of power maximum and 1.8 kW continuously. 

It has more than 400 individual cells that make up the battery, covering an
area of 3 m2. 

It is made from carbon fibre and has an Airex foam core. 

It took close to 4 000 hours per person of the seven-person team to create
the car. 

The car was named after the IsiZulu word for the sun ...
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The 2015 African Solar Drive will kick off in June
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ilanga  Zulu  Noun : 1. sun  2. day, daytime
...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zulu_language
Zulu or isiZulu is the language of the Zulu people with about 10 million
speakers, ... is the most widely spoken home language in South Africa (24%
of the population) as well as being understood by over 50% of the population
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[EVDL] EVLN: My silent farm EV is just pure, clean, fun> PVs utilize sunshine

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'If only everything else ran as smoothly!'

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/farmer-writes-letting-in-the-light-182259/
Farmer writes: A novel way of getting "free" electricity
By William Considine  02 June 2015

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Four years ago, William Considine had enough of looking at the wasted
opportunity that was his farm's range of south facing old buildings and
decided to invest in a number of solar panels. 

A farmer has to be a lot of things: a vet, a mechanic, a welder, a
carpenter, an accountant, a lawyer etc. etc. etc. However, his main one is
solar technologist. I bet you never thought of that one! 

Our fields are in fact huge solar panels and farmers are all solar
technologists. 

We manage fields to maximise the amount of solar energy that falls on plant
leaves. Then, in the amazing "water to wine" miracle known as
photosynthesis, the solar energy joins water to carbon dioxide to make sugar
and food. 

Indeed, it is almost instinctive for a farmer to seek out the south sloping
fields, to minimise the amount of bare ground and to fill his fields with
lots of large healthy leaves. This is the thinking of a solar energy
technologist.

Wasted sunlight
For a number of years, I had been looking across my yard at a range of old
buildings with a south facing roof and thinking about all the "wasted"
sunlight that was falling on them. 

Then four years ago, I started buying solar panels to put on that roof to
make use of that light. It has gone very well. The panels which cost me less
than the price of an acre of land, are leaving as much profit as 5 acres.
With no moving parts, and space tested reliability, they are likely to
continue to do this for decades to come. 

I highly recommend it to other farmers. As for most aspects of farming,
sunshine returns will be marginally better the farther south your farm is,
with the "sunny south east" being the best of all. 

Nevertheless, a worthwhile return can be obtained on any farm in the
country. It is a very good way to increase the output from your holding and
build resilience into your farm. 

Main challenges with solar technology are human
Solar technology is simple, proven and economic, so the main challenge to
its uptake is a human one. I was fortunate to avail of ESB's pilot
Microgeneration Programme. 

I understand this is no longer available and there is now an institutional
reluctance within ESB to facilitate farm or domestic electricity generation. 

However, the issue is too big to be left to the internal politics of the
ESB. 

There is a societal discussion to be had about electricity generation and
distribution. Worldwide, an active debate is taking place. The traditional
utility companies favour a continuation of centralised power production from
large fossil fuel or nuclear power stations with networks of pylons for
distribution, whereas new Solar, Wind and battery makers see the new cheaper
renewable technologies as a golden opportunity to decentralise and localise
power generation. 

The later scenario has many environmental benefits as well as huge
opportunities for farmers. I would love to see the IFA taking an interest in
this issue and engaging with government and ESB. Wouldn't it be great if
farmers could get an income from their shed roofs instead of having to
plough around all the wasted ground under pylons?

"Free" electricity
For me, I am enjoying my "free" electricity and seeking new ways to use it
around the farm. 

Last year, I bought an electric golf course truck as a farm runabout for
herding and fencing. Having a lot of trees on a farm means having miles of
fences to maintain. 

By having stakes and everything on board when herding, repairs get done as
soon as a problem is spotted, rather than being left on the long finger for
a tractor job. It's very true what they say - a nail or a stake in time,
will always save nine. Finally, I have to admit, the silent progress of my
electric farm vehicle around the fields is just pure, clean, fun. If only
everything else ran as smoothly!
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[EVDL] EVLN: Tasmania.au PV+hydro+wind powered EVs> truly RE charged

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http://www.motoring.com.au/news/2015/tasmania-turns-green-51566
Australia's smallest state looks to electric vehicle future
2 June 2015

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Tasmania is the only state in Australia that can claim electric vehicles
(EV) there to be truly zero emission, due to the island state's combination
of hydro, solar and wind-generated electricity.

And now the state is looking to capitalise on its green-energy generation by
investing in green transportation – namely EVs – at a government fleet level
and with fiscal incentives. It's all part of the apple isle's new renewable
energy strategy.

Tasmania's energy vision is vastly different to that of the rest of the
Australia, which relies almost exclusively on coal and other fossil fuels to
generate electricity, placing Tassie in a unique position. 

Dubbed 'Tasmania's Energy Strategy, Restoring Tasmania's Energy Advantage',
the recently released white paper proposes to turn the state into a leading
renewable energy hub, and part of the island's transformation is expected to
be a major shift in transportation infrastructure. 

As well as seeding EVs in government fleets, the white paper suggests
providing incentives for private buyers to adopt EVs – a move that has been
resisted at state and federal levels across Australia.

Electric vehicle take-up rates have been rapid in countries where
governments provide tax breaks or other inducements, which is the case in
many US states, European countries and China, and this has in turn
stimulated the rollout of vehicle battery fast-charge stations. 

Meanwhile Australians have no incentive to adopt electric cars, and the
sales results reflect that.

The Holden Volt [pih] car is no longer sold in Australia, partly due to a
lack of demand, while vehicles such as the BMW i3 and Nissan LEAF continue
to sell in dribs and drabs.

However, as battery technology continues to improve – increasing in capacity
and reducing in price – the white paper suggests many residents will even
look at leaving the grid. In this respect EVs will become vital to energy
independence. 

"Rapidly falling battery storage costs may cause some customers to consider
disconnection from the grid," reads the government study. "To the extent
that this occurs, it will leave fewer customers to pay for the maintenance
of the grid, resulting in even higher prices and driving even more customers
off the grid."

Cars will be a key factor in pushing this shift, with several brands –
including Tesla and Mercedes-Benz – looking at affordable home batteries
powerful enough to keep households running and off the grid.

While Tasmania is banking on electricity and EVs for its future energy
strategy, the federal government appears more interested in another zero
emission energy source. 

Federal science and industry minister Ian Macfarlane recently declared
hydrogen, not battery-electricity, to be Australia's automotive transport
'fuel of the future'. He attended the opening of Australia's first hydrogen
refuelling station, an initiative funded by Hyundai.

Meanwhile Tesla is also pushing ahead with its own infrastructure on the
Australian mainland, with a Goulburn fast charge station installed and plans
to have a supercharger network by the end of 2015, allowing Telsa owners to
drive from Sydney to Melbourne under electric power. 

Another factor that could play a significant role in the future of EVs in
Australia is, naturally, the price of electricity. The Tasmanian white paper
notes that "Retail electricity prices have rapidly escalated, largely as a
result of significantly increased investment in networks," and will continue
to do so.

"Consumers have responded to higher prices in a range of ways, including by
investing in solar PV [photo-voltaic] and energy efficiency measures."

In the long term these responses, in Tasmania at least, are expected to lead
to lower levels of electricity consumption, which "is leading to concerns of
a network 'death spiral'," according to the white paper.

"This is compounded by tariff settings that are largely consumption based
but the costs of providing the network are largely fixed."

Rooftop solar panels in Tasmania are predicted to jump from 70 mega watts to
300 mega watts in the next 10 years, which won't be good for electricity
providers, but it will be good for people who want to run their household
and indeed their motor vehicle cheaply and with zero emissions. 
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> The problem is that, especially in the more sprawling metropolises,
> their lives are built such that a car with only a two gallon "tank"
> just isn't any use to them. 

I think it was Lee Iacocca who once described driving an EV, probably 
Chrysler's own EPIC, as "like leaving home every day with the 'low fuel' 
light on."  That's maybe a bit paraphrased, since I'm too lazy to look up 
the exact quotation, but it's close.

He wasn't being kind, but especially with the batteries EVs had then, he was 
being pretty accurate.

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