Re: [EVDL] OT: Molex products (was: Solder strength....)

[Mike Nickerson via EV]

I have had good luck with Anderson connectors also.  Both the two pole large 
connectors as well as the PowerPole and Power Pak smaller connectors.

The color coding of the two pole connectors is really great also.  They can't 
be accidentally interconnected.

Mike


On April 27, 2016 8:22:07 PM MDT, Jan Steinman via EV  wrote:
>> From: Chris Tromley via EV 
>> 
>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV
>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> All this being said, yes crimping is better and my preferred method
>is
>>> Molex.
>> 
>> ?I was surprised recently to learn that Molex is now? owned by Koch
>> Industries.  It has changed my approach to using Molex products. 
>There are
>> alternatives.
>
>My “go to” DC connector source is Anderson. Silver versus tin plate.
>Reversible versus one-way.
>
>Jan
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Re: [EVDL] Hotel Chargers

[Michael Willuweit via EV]

Assuming you're traveling in a Model S what I would recommend is to open 
plugshare and deselect all charger options other than "Tesla (S) EV plugs."
You'll see a list that's pretty much Tesla service/retail spots and hotels. It 
seems a lot of smaller lodges and bed and breakfast spots have Tesla plugs. 
Hopefully there's some in the area you are traveling through.
Safe EV travels,
Michael

> On Apr 27, 2016, at 6:47 PM, via EV  wrote:
> 
> I'm going on a trip tomorrow and will be staying at a hotel. I tried to look 
> for hotels that offered EV charging. I cannot find any simple way to do that 
> search. I see Marriott has a list of hotels with chargers, and of course 
> PlugShare can list all EV chargers in an area and you can search through 
> that. But I see no comprehensive way to search for hotels in area that have 
> chargers. Seems odd to me. There are enough EVs now that hotels should see 
> offering charging as a competitive advantage. It's certainly high on my list.
> 
> Am I missing something? How do you find hotels with EV charging?
> 
> -SteveS
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Re: [EVDL] Harbor Freight tools (was: J1772. Solder or crimp?)

[Thomas Brannan via EV]

Care to share the model number of the "good" TIG welder??
Tom

On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 7:28 PM, Jan Steinman via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
wrote:

> > From: Alan Brinkman via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
> > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org>
> >
> > I purchased a Harbor Freight flux core wire welder several years back...
> I now have a larger welder mig/tig? with plasma cutting ability that I have
> not set up yet because the Harbor Freight starter welder won't die.
>
> HF has both crap and some quite nice stuff. You have to know what you’re
> shopping for.
>
> Their welding stuff seems to be good, much of it from Italy, rather than
> China.
>
> I have their inverter TIG welder that is amazing; my only gripe was lack
> of a foot pedal, so I wired in one! Unlike so many things these days, they
> actually supplied a schematic, and I could plainly see that the “volume
> control” was a common 5k pot, which is just what the Lincoln-style foot
> pedals use.
>
> With TIG, you want to start very hot, then back off to your normal welding
> current. I can’t for the life of me figure out how they expected you to do
> that with a panel-mounted pot while both your hands were busy…
>
> Jan
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Re: [EVDL] Harbor Freight tools (was: J1772. Solder or crimp?)

[EVDL Administrator via EV]

On 27 Apr 2016 at 10:15, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:

> Lots of folks thought they were junk  ...

To some extent I defer to Bill Dube' on this, as he has obviously bought a 
LOT of HF tools, and I have not.   However, in general I follow my father's 
advice and example, and buy the best tools I can afford.  

Many times that means buying a used tool.  A used tool may cost more, 
sometimes a lot more, than a similar one at HF or wherever.  But I figure I 
am getting a tool that will last me the rest of my life.

I buy used not just for price, but because today a lot of midrange brand 
name tools are barely, if at all, better than the HF versions.  I wouldn't 
be surprised if some of them come from the same Chinese factories.  

I think the problem is that the tool companies' stockholders demand big 
profits, the big box stores demand low-ish cost and high margin, and 
customers just what what's cheap.

So it goes.

When I'm absolutely sure I'll use the tool for only one or two jobs, I might 
buy a cheap one, either brand name or HF.  However, I did that with a spring 
compressor when I changed the struts in a VW Golf in the mid-1990s, and boy 
did I ever regret that purchase.  Bloody thing cross-threaded.  I had to 
rent a decent spring compressor to get the crap one off and finish the job.  
That made me a lot more cautious.

I've read posts here from folks who recommend the HF hydraulic crimpers.  I 
recall someone saying years ago that the dies are mismarked and you have to 
choose by approximate fit.  I don't know whether that's still true.  

For a while I did consider buying one anyway, but honestly I don't need one 
since so far my hammer crimper (E-Z-Red, I think is the brand) does just 
fine for what I need.

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Re: [EVDL] Harbor Freight tools (was: J1772. Solder or crimp?)

[Jan Steinman via EV]

> From: Alan Brinkman via EV 
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
> 
> I purchased a Harbor Freight flux core wire welder several years back... I 
> now have a larger welder mig/tig? with plasma cutting ability that I have not 
> set up yet because the Harbor Freight starter welder won't die.

HF has both crap and some quite nice stuff. You have to know what you’re 
shopping for.

Their welding stuff seems to be good, much of it from Italy, rather than China.

I have their inverter TIG welder that is amazing; my only gripe was lack of a 
foot pedal, so I wired in one! Unlike so many things these days, they actually 
supplied a schematic, and I could plainly see that the “volume control” was a 
common 5k pot, which is just what the Lincoln-style foot pedals use.

With TIG, you want to start very hot, then back off to your normal welding 
current. I can’t for the life of me figure out how they expected you to do that 
with a panel-mounted pot while both your hands were busy…

Jan

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[EVDL] OT: Molex products (was: Solder strength....)

[Jan Steinman via EV]

> From: Chris Tromley via EV 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV 
> wrote:
> 
>> All this being said, yes crimping is better and my preferred method is
>> Molex.
> 
> ?I was surprised recently to learn that Molex is now? owned by Koch
> Industries.  It has changed my approach to using Molex products.  There are
> alternatives.

My “go to” DC connector source is Anderson. Silver versus tin plate. Reversible 
versus one-way.

Jan

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Re: [EVDL] Hotel Chargers

[Gail Lucas via EV]

If you happen to be coming to Las Vegas there are quite a few options.

http://nevadaeva.org/mgm-resorts-international-unveils-large-scale-evse-rollout/

On 4/27/2016 6:25 PM, via EV wrote:

 Possibly, but in both cases I explained several ways, slowly, and clearly (I 
think) what I was looking for.  In both cases they were completely clueless, as 
if (and probably so) they had no idea what an electric car was. Now, this was 
the reservation line and they probably have a very defined set of things they 
do. But on the other hand these were two big hotel chains. I thought at least 
after a few rounds of confusion they would turn me over to a supervisor or 
something. It will be interesting to see if my emails to corporate get 
responses.

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Re: [EVDL] Hotel Chargers

[John Lindsay via EV]

So amusing to see Americans having language difficulties. It's usually me 
getting blank looks when I'm standing in my thongs and shorts asking for sauce 
to go on my snag. 

I would send a picture of the power outlet I'm looking for. 

On topic but in another country, we have lovely three phase 32 amp 240 volt 
outlets in Australia that my Tesla turns into 20kw of charging with a suitable 
adaptor. Or 10kw with the supplied charging cable and a bit of stuffing around. 
 Yum! Finding them is an interesting challenge but they are often installed at 
places like motels for building trades to run a switchboard. Fairgrounds are 
turning out to have them too. They are usually only used for a couple of days a 
year and the municipality often hires space in them out for sports  clubs and 
RVs so access is easier than it might otherwise be. Often you just leave cash 
to cover the cost of power or the powered camp site fee, whichever is more, in 
the honour box. 

I'm also aware of some guys from Perth who are about to drive across the 
Nullarbor to Adelaide, about two thousand miles with most of it unpopulated. 
They sent power outlets to road houses (service stations in the middle of 
nowhere that sell fuel, food and often accommodation, sometimes powered with 
their own massive generator) and to camping grounds. It's going to be possible 
to drive a Tesla from Perth to Brisbane years before Tesla finish installing 
superchargers. Admittedly the recharging stops add about four days to the 
Nullarbor trip but hey, don't we all love watching our cars charge? 

Cheers,

John Lindsay

> On 28 Apr 2016, at 10:42 AM, Harsha Godavari via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
> 
> I wonder if you said, "I need to plug my car in" instead of , " I need to 
> charge my car" would you have found more cooperation? 
> 
> regards 
> harsha godavari 
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: "via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> 
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org 
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 12:35:51 AM 
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hotel Chargers 
> 
> Tried Ramada - same basic conversation, but got transferred to someone who 
> wanted to sell me a 'getaway package'. 
> I've emailed both organizations. 
> 
> I realize I can wing it and ask for a 120V outlet, but how is that grocery 
> stores, etc are putting in charge stations and hotels don't? I would think 
> hotels would be the first place you'd see chargers: it's a great perk to 
> advertise, if I'm stopping at hotel - I probably really need to charge, the 
> cost is small compared to the room charge, it makes them look 'modern', etc. 
> 
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Re: [EVDL] Hotel Chargers

[via EV]

 Possibly, but in both cases I explained several ways, slowly, and clearly (I 
think) what I was looking for.  In both cases they were completely clueless, as 
if (and probably so) they had no idea what an electric car was. Now, this was 
the reservation line and they probably have a very defined set of things they 
do. But on the other hand these were two big hotel chains. I thought at least 
after a few rounds of confusion they would turn me over to a supervisor or 
something. It will be interesting to see if my emails to corporate get 
responses.
 

On 04/27/16, Harsha Godavari wrote:


I wonder if you said, "I need to plug my car in" instead of , " I need to 
charge my car" would you have found more cooperation? 

regards
harsha godavari


From: "via EV" 
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 12:35:51 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hotel Chargers

Tried Ramada - same basic conversation, but got transferred to someone who 
wanted to sell me a 'getaway package'.
I've emailed both organizations.

I realize I can wing it and ask for a 120V outlet, but how is that grocery 
stores, etc are putting in charge stations and hotels don't? I would think 
hotels would be the first place you'd see chargers: it's a great perk to 
advertise, if I'm stopping at hotel - I probably really need to charge, the 
cost is small compared to the room charge, it makes them look 'modern', etc.

SteveS
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Re: [EVDL] Hotel Chargers

[Harsha Godavari via EV]

I wonder if you said, "I need to plug my car in" instead of , " I need to 
charge my car" would you have found more cooperation? 

regards 
harsha godavari 

- Original Message -

From: "via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> 
To: ev@lists.evdl.org 
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 12:35:51 AM 
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hotel Chargers 

Tried Ramada - same basic conversation, but got transferred to someone who 
wanted to sell me a 'getaway package'. 
I've emailed both organizations. 

I realize I can wing it and ask for a 120V outlet, but how is that grocery 
stores, etc are putting in charge stations and hotels don't? I would think 
hotels would be the first place you'd see chargers: it's a great perk to 
advertise, if I'm stopping at hotel - I probably really need to charge, the 
cost is small compared to the room charge, it makes them look 'modern', etc. 

SteveS 
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Re: [EVDL] Hotel Chargers

[Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield via EV]

My two cents.

Based on experience in Europe, it’s often about ensuring you have a bunch
of converters/connectors, and can bend the ear of either someone who does
maintenance, kitchen staff, or someone else you can befriend.

Openchargemap could be one place to start, and Plugshare too. But it does
depend rather on where you are.
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On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 5:39 PM, John Lussmyer via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
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> On Wed Apr 27 17:35:51 PDT 2016 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
> >I would think hotels would be the first place you'd see chargers: it's a
> great perk to advertise, if I'm stopping at hotel - I probably really need
> to charge, the cost is small compared to the room charge,  it makes them
> look 'modern', etc.
>
> Cause most people traveling < 100 miles (Leaf range) aren't staying at
> hotels.
>
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Re: [EVDL] Hotel Chargers

[John Lussmyer via EV]

On Wed Apr 27 17:35:51 PDT 2016 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>I would think hotels would be the first place you'd see chargers: it's a great 
>perk to advertise, if I'm stopping at hotel - I probably really need to 
>charge, the cost is small compared to the room charge,  it makes them look 
>'modern', etc.

Cause most people traveling < 100 miles (Leaf range) aren't staying at hotels.


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Re: [EVDL] Hotel Chargers

[via EV]

Tried Ramada - same basic conversation, but got transferred to someone who 
wanted to sell me a 'getaway package'.
I've emailed both organizations.

I realize I can wing it and ask for a 120V outlet, but how is that grocery 
stores, etc are putting in charge stations and hotels don't? I would think 
hotels would be the first place you'd see chargers: it's a great perk to 
advertise, if I'm stopping at hotel - I probably really need to charge, the 
cost is small compared to the room charge,  it makes them look 'modern', etc.

SteveS
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[EVDL] hotel charging

[via EV]

Cripe - evidently my email keeps reverting to rich text - sorry try again:

jeez...

I tried calling Hilton to see how to tell which of their hotels offer charging 
since by Googling around I saw they had some press releases about adding 
charging stations to their hotels. 
-- condensed version---
" Hello, I want to find out how to tell which of your hotels has EV charging"
" You need parking?"
" No, charging for my electric vehicle."
"You want to see if there is a charge to park?"
"No, I have an electric car and want to stay at a hotel that offers charging" 
-- conversation about dates, number of guests, etc --
"There is  -some hotel- available"
" Do they offer EV charging"
" Sorry I don't know what you mean, but you can call the hotel"
"Thanks, bye."

I thought EVs were a bit more mainstream now, but I guess not. I'm not sure if 
I want to spend the night calling hotels and explaining what an electric car is.

I am surprised though that hotels list incredible details about breakfast 
items, office supplies, safety equipment, but I see none that show EV charging 
much less allow sorting by that. It's so easy to add and so useful.

-SteveS
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Re: [EVDL] Hotel Chargers

[Bill Dube via EV]

Motels very often have one or more outdoor 120 vac outlet somewhere. 
Ask permission ahead of time, and ask again when you arrive, if you 
can plug in. Bring a lng 14 gauge cord. Bring your 120 volt 
opportunity "charger".


You can also ask for a first floor room near parking and hang your 
log extension cord out the window when you are in your room at night.


It is also useful to bring a padlock to secure your 
opportunity charger to your wheel:

http://daryllafferty.com/CableLock.jpg

Bill D.


At 05:50 PM 4/27/2016, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:

Absent an online search ability,
I would:
- list some of my favorite hotels
- call them and ask the question

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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of via EV
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 4:48 PM
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Subject: [EVDL] Hotel Chargers

I'm going on a trip tomorrow and will be staying at a hotel. I tried to
look for hotels that offered EV charging. I cannot find any simple way
to do that search. I see Marriott has a list of hotels with chargers,
and of course PlugShare can list all EV chargers in an area and you can
search through that. But I see no comprehensive way to search for hotels
in area that have chargers. Seems odd to me. There are enough EVs now
that hotels should see offering charging as a competitive advantage.
It's certainly high on my list.

Am I missing something? How do you find hotels with EV charging?

-SteveS
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[EVDL] hotel charging

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Re: [EVDL] Hotel Chargers

[Cor van de Water via EV]

Absent an online search ability,
I would:
- list some of my favorite hotels
- call them and ask the question

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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of via EV
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 4:48 PM
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Subject: [EVDL] Hotel Chargers

I'm going on a trip tomorrow and will be staying at a hotel. I tried to
look for hotels that offered EV charging. I cannot find any simple way
to do that search. I see Marriott has a list of hotels with chargers,
and of course PlugShare can list all EV chargers in an area and you can
search through that. But I see no comprehensive way to search for hotels
in area that have chargers. Seems odd to me. There are enough EVs now
that hotels should see offering charging as a competitive advantage.
It's certainly high on my list.

Am I missing something? How do you find hotels with EV charging?

-SteveS
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[EVDL] Hotel Chargers

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I'm going on a trip tomorrow and will be staying at a hotel. I tried to look 
for hotels that offered EV charging. I cannot find any simple way to do that 
search. I see Marriott has a list of hotels with chargers, and of course 
PlugShare can list all EV chargers in an area and you can search through that. 
But I see no comprehensive way to search for hotels in area that have chargers. 
Seems odd to me. There are enough EVs now that hotels should see offering 
charging as a competitive advantage. It's certainly high on my list.

Am I missing something? How do you find hotels with EV charging?

-SteveS
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[EVDL] Hotel chargers

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Re: [EVDL] Harbor Freight tools (was: J1772. Solder or crimp?)

[Bobby Keeland via EV]

on is valid till July!
>>> > Probably that the digital coupon will get renewed every week or so, but
>>> > it was a nice coincidence to get both at the same day!
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>>> > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 11:30 AM
>>> > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
>>> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] J1772. Solder or crimp?
>>> >
>>> > Harbor Freight sells an outstanding hydraulic crimper at a bargain
>>> > price:
>>> > <http://www.harborfreight.com/hydraulic-wire-crimping-tool-66150.html>
>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/hydraulic-wire-crimping-tool-66150.html
>>> > For $55 there is no reason to use a hammer crimper.
>>> >
>>> > I have used the next size up from this one, made by the same
>>> > manufacturer, for about ten years. I have made countless crimps with
>>> > zero failures. Beautiful crimps of all different sizes with little
>>> > effort.
>>> >
>>> > Here is a 20% off coupon, so you can get a crimper for $44:
>>> > <http://www.harborfreight.com/digitalsavings.html>
>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/digitalsavings.html
>>> >
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Re: [EVDL] Harbor Freight tools (was: J1772. Solder or crimp?)

[Bill Dube via EV]

 bargain
> price:
> 
<http://www.harborfreight.com/hydraulic-wire-crimping-tool-66150.html>http://www.harborfreight.com/hydraulic-wire-crimping-tool-66150.html 


> For $55 there is no reason to use a hammer crimper.
>
> I have used the next size up from this one, made by the same
> manufacturer, for about ten years. I have made countless crimps with
> zero failures. Beautiful crimps of all different sizes with little
> effort.
>
> Here is a 20% off coupon, so you can get a crimper for $44:
> 
<http://www.harborfreight.com/digitalsavings.html>http://www.harborfreight.com/digitalsavings.html 


>
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Re: [EVDL] Harbor Freight tools (was: J1772. Solder or crimp?)

[Mark Abramowitz via EV]

 
Interesting.
I was going to buy some stuff from them awhile back, but decided against it 
after going online and reading reviews. Lots of folks thought they were junk, 
so it's good to see a contrary opinion.

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 From: Bill Dube via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: Cor van de Water 
<cwa...@proxim.com>,   Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> 
Subject: [EVDL] Harbor Freight tools (was: J1772. Solder or crimp?) Date: 
4/27/16, 8:49 AM

 
Harbor freight _always_ has a 20% off one item coupon, somewhere. 
Occasionally, a 25% off coupon is sent in mailings, advertizements, etc.  
(AARP magazine often has a 25% off coupon.) 
You can always get a "free LED flashlight" coupon as well. Be sure to  
find one of those. 
 
They have nice tools, but you must be somewhat selective in what you buy  
from Harbor Freight. 
Buy the tool (like a band saw) from HF, but buy the replacement  
metal-cutting blades, end-mills, and the like, elsewhere. Blades, etc.  
for wood and plastic from HF are OK and work great. Drills are OK. 
They sell _awesome_ hydraulic tools at a bargain price. Their hand  
tools, pneumatic tools, and power tools, have worked well for us for  
many years and saved us a ton of money. If you look at photos of our  
shop, almost all the tools are HF brand. 
 
We buy Ryobi cordless tools because they all use the same style battery.  
Have for many years, even though they have changed chemistry, the new  
batteries fit the old tools. (Even though they cost substantially less,  
almost every HF cordless tool uses a different style battery and  
charger, so we buy Ryobi.) 
 
Bill D. 
 
On 4/26/2016 3:55 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: 
> Bill, 
> Thanks - I am planning to convert my Lead-Acid pack to Li later this 
> year 
> as it has been deteriorating after 16,500 miles and 4 years of almost 
> daily commute, so I probably will need to make new cables for that 
> conversion. 
> I printed your coupon and noticed that it is valid till end this week, 
> then I came home and found the weekly junk mail stash in the mailbox - 
> but the back page caught my eye: Harbor Freight ads and a 20% off 
> coupon, 
> only the paper coupon is valid till July! 
> Probably that the digital coupon will get renewed every week or so, but 
> it was a nice coincidence to get both at the same day! 
> 
> Cor van de Water 
> Chief Scientist 
> Proxim Wireless 
> 
> office +1 408 383 7626Skype: cor_van_de_water 
> XoIP   +31 87 784 1130private: cvandewater.info 
> 
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> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dube via 
> EV 
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 11:30 AM 
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] J1772. Solder or crimp? 
> 
> Harbor Freight sells an outstanding hydraulic crimper at a bargain 
> price: 
> http://www.harborfreight.com/hydraulic-wire-crimping-tool-66150.html 
> For $55  there is no reason to use a hammer crimper. 
> 
> I have used the next size up from this one, made by the same 
> manufacturer, for about ten years. I have made countless crimps with 
> zero failures. Beautiful crimps of all different sizes with little 
> effort. 
> 
> Here is a 20% off coupon, so you can get a crimper for $44: 
> http://www.harborfreight.com/digitalsavings.html 
> 
>Bill D. 
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Re: [EVDL] OT: Molex products (was: Solder strength....)

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

Great info Chris... and it should be of note to all of us that are interested 
in 
EV's. The Koch bros are not interested in EV's, in fact they are opposed to 
EV's 
and actively fund companies, individuals etc that are opposed to EV's.

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


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> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Chris Tromley via EV
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 4:06 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: [EVDL] OT: Molex products (was: Solder strength)
>
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
> wrote:
>
> > All this being said, yes crimping is better and my preferred method is
> > Molex.
>
>
> ?FYI,>
> ?I was surprised recently to learn that Molex is now? owned by Koch 
> Industries. 
> It has
> changed my approach to using Molex products.  There are alternatives.
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Leaf-now ad sez why wait for Tesla-3

[dovepa via EV]

I looked at one last weekend. It was 39,000 not 35,000 and it's a Leaf not a 
Tesla. 
When are the going to realize it matters how you treat customers?


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Date: 4/27/16  2:31 AM  (GMT-07:00) To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: 
Leaf-now ad sez why wait for Tesla-3 


http://www.hybridcars.com/nissan-leaf-ad-takes-a-shot-at-tesla-model-3/
Nissan Leaf Ad Takes a Shot At Tesla Model 3
April 22, 2016  Jeff Cobb

[images  
http://www.hybridcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Leaf_advert-668x409.jpg
(leaf ad - why wait)

http://www.hybridcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/tesla-model-3-tax-incentives-668x4091.jpg
The industry has not seen anything like this. Controversial ads play on the
belief that any press is good press
]

If you are one of the 400,000 people or so who’ve plunked down $1,000 to
reserve Tesla’s 215-mile range $35,000 Model 3, Nissan has good news for
you: You don’t have to wait!

Of course many already knew that of the Japanese automaker’s electric car
now being nursed along in its sixth model year and currently offering 107
miles range for just over $35,000 – less $4,000 cash back – but Nissan’s ad
campaign makes the point just the same.

“Why wait when you can drive an all-electric Leaf now?” poses Nissan’s
advert launched in today’s New York Times, Los Angeles Times, USA Today and
The Wall Street Journal. “And why drop $1,000 to stand in line when you can
get $4,000 cash back and best-in-class range?”

True is it is an EV now, and leasing is an option as well. Also true is in
six-eight months from now, if one is thinking of getting an EV sooner, the
2017 Chevy Bolt will be available with over 200 miles range.

Nissan’s CEO Carlos Ghosn has also said to expect a second generation Leaf
with competitive range, though no images or other details of this have yet
been revealed.

Since coming to market for 2011, the Leaf has become the world’s
best-selling plug-in vehicle with over 200,000 sold – about half of the
Model 3’s reservation list. It received a range increase in 2013 from an
original 73 miles to 84, and in 2016 its range was upped to 107 for the SV
and SL trim packages, with 84-miles range still specified for the base S
model.

Last year the Leaf’s U.S. sales declined 43 percent to 17,269 units sold.
During 2016’s first quarter, sales have declined 28 percent to 2,931 units.

The company has long offered relatively inexpensive lease deals, now
mentions 0 percent APR for up to 72 months, $4,000 cash back, and also
offers “No Charge to Charge” providing free public access charging for two
years.

And perhaps to capitalize on the mind share of all the people looking to
Tesla, its ad chides the California upstart and people waiting.

Tesla has said the vehicle could get here by late 2017, others have
suggested 2018, 2019, and analysts have even projected some standing in line
now won’t get their Model 3 before 2020. But even if Tesla defies the
bearish and releases the car early, Nissan says it can deliver instant
gratification.

“No one should have any reservations about getting an electric car today,”
says Nissan of its car available now.
[© hybridcars.com]




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Re: [EVDL] Harbor Freight tools (was: J1772. Solder or crimp?)

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

I purchased a Harbor Freight flux core wire welder several years back with a 
coupon for about $100, about a 90 amp unit. I could not afford anything else. I 
thought I would build a few projects, destroy it, and buy something better. I 
have built a trailer, accessories for a mini-excavator and a skid steer loader, 
and various other projects. The welder just will not die. It uses 3# spools of 
flux wire. I was able to massage a few parts and squeeze in a 20# reel of wire. 
It is more economical, and does not stop your project to load another spool. 
However, the welder is now about 17# heavier due to the wire. I now have a 
larger welder mig/tig? with plasma cutting ability that I have not set up yet 
because the Harbor Freight starter welder won't die. Some problems are ok to 
have. (Ok the plasma cutting requires a LOT of ATTENTION to SAFETY - enough 
said)

Be safe!!

Alan

-Original Message-
From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dube via EV
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 8:49 AM
To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: [EVDL] Harbor Freight tools (was: J1772. Solder or crimp?)

Harbor freight _always_ has a 20% off one item coupon, somewhere.
Occasionally, a 25% off coupon is sent in mailings, advertizements, etc. 
(AARP magazine often has a 25% off coupon.) You can always get a "free LED 
flashlight" coupon as well. Be sure to find one of those.

They have nice tools, but you must be somewhat selective in what you buy from 
Harbor Freight.
Buy the tool (like a band saw) from HF, but buy the replacement metal-cutting 
blades, end-mills, and the like, elsewhere. Blades, etc. 
for wood and plastic from HF are OK and work great. Drills are OK.
They sell _awesome_ hydraulic tools at a bargain price. Their hand tools, 
pneumatic tools, and power tools, have worked well for us for many years and 
saved us a ton of money. If you look at photos of our shop, almost all the 
tools are HF brand.

We buy Ryobi cordless tools because they all use the same style battery. 
Have for many years, even though they have changed chemistry, the new batteries 
fit the old tools. (Even though they cost substantially less, almost every HF 
cordless tool uses a different style battery and charger, so we buy Ryobi.)

Bill D.

On 4/26/2016 3:55 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
> Bill,
> Thanks - I am planning to convert my Lead-Acid pack to Li later this 
> year as it has been deteriorating after 16,500 miles and 4 years of 
> almost daily commute, so I probably will need to make new cables for 
> that conversion.
> I printed your coupon and noticed that it is valid till end this week, 
> then I came home and found the weekly junk mail stash in the mailbox - 
> but the back page caught my eye: Harbor Freight ads and a 20% off 
> coupon, only the paper coupon is valid till July!
> Probably that the digital coupon will get renewed every week or so, 
> but it was a nice coincidence to get both at the same day!
>
> Cor van de Water
> Chief Scientist
> Proxim Wireless
>
> office +1 408 383 7626Skype: cor_van_de_water
> XoIP   +31 87 784 1130private: cvandewater.info
>
> http://www.proxim.com
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> EV
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 11:30 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] J1772. Solder or crimp?
>
> Harbor Freight sells an outstanding hydraulic crimper at a bargain
> price:
> http://www.harborfreight.com/hydraulic-wire-crimping-tool-66150.html
> For $55  there is no reason to use a hammer crimper.
>
> I have used the next size up from this one, made by the same 
> manufacturer, for about ten years. I have made countless crimps with 
> zero failures. Beautiful crimps of all different sizes with little 
> effort.
>
> Here is a 20% off coupon, so you can get a crimper for $44:
> http://www.harborfreight.com/digitalsavings.html
>
>Bill D.
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[EVDL] Harbor Freight tools (was: J1772. Solder or crimp?)

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Harbor freight _always_ has a 20% off one item coupon, somewhere.
Occasionally, a 25% off coupon is sent in mailings, advertizements, etc. 
(AARP magazine often has a 25% off coupon.)
You can always get a "free LED flashlight" coupon as well. Be sure to 
find one of those.


They have nice tools, but you must be somewhat selective in what you buy 
from Harbor Freight.
Buy the tool (like a band saw) from HF, but buy the replacement 
metal-cutting blades, end-mills, and the like, elsewhere. Blades, etc. 
for wood and plastic from HF are OK and work great. Drills are OK.
They sell _awesome_ hydraulic tools at a bargain price. Their hand 
tools, pneumatic tools, and power tools, have worked well for us for 
many years and saved us a ton of money. If you look at photos of our 
shop, almost all the tools are HF brand.


We buy Ryobi cordless tools because they all use the same style battery. 
Have for many years, even though they have changed chemistry, the new 
batteries fit the old tools. (Even though they cost substantially less, 
almost every HF cordless tool uses a different style battery and 
charger, so we buy Ryobi.)


Bill D.

On 4/26/2016 3:55 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:

Bill,
Thanks - I am planning to convert my Lead-Acid pack to Li later this
year
as it has been deteriorating after 16,500 miles and 4 years of almost
daily commute, so I probably will need to make new cables for that
conversion.
I printed your coupon and noticed that it is valid till end this week,
then I came home and found the weekly junk mail stash in the mailbox -
but the back page caught my eye: Harbor Freight ads and a 20% off
coupon,
only the paper coupon is valid till July!
Probably that the digital coupon will get renewed every week or so, but
it was a nice coincidence to get both at the same day!

Cor van de Water
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] J1772. Solder or crimp?

Harbor Freight sells an outstanding hydraulic crimper at a bargain
price:
http://www.harborfreight.com/hydraulic-wire-crimping-tool-66150.html
For $55  there is no reason to use a hammer crimper.

I have used the next size up from this one, made by the same
manufacturer, for about ten years. I have made countless crimps with
zero failures. Beautiful crimps of all different sizes with little
effort.

Here is a 20% off coupon, so you can get a crimper for $44:
http://www.harborfreight.com/digitalsavings.html

   Bill D.

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[EVDL] OT: Molex products (was: Solder strength....)

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On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
wrote:

> All this being said, yes crimping is better and my preferred method is
> Molex.


​FYI,​

​I was surprised recently to learn that Molex is now​ owned by Koch
Industries.  It has changed my approach to using Molex products.  There are
alternatives.

Chris
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[EVDL] EVLN: Leaf-now ad sez why wait for Tesla-3

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http://www.hybridcars.com/nissan-leaf-ad-takes-a-shot-at-tesla-model-3/
Nissan Leaf Ad Takes a Shot At Tesla Model 3
April 22, 2016  Jeff Cobb

[images  
http://www.hybridcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Leaf_advert-668x409.jpg
(leaf ad - why wait)

http://www.hybridcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/tesla-model-3-tax-incentives-668x4091.jpg
The industry has not seen anything like this. Controversial ads play on the
belief that any press is good press
]

If you are one of the 400,000 people or so who’ve plunked down $1,000 to
reserve Tesla’s 215-mile range $35,000 Model 3, Nissan has good news for
you: You don’t have to wait!

Of course many already knew that of the Japanese automaker’s electric car
now being nursed along in its sixth model year and currently offering 107
miles range for just over $35,000 – less $4,000 cash back – but Nissan’s ad
campaign makes the point just the same.

“Why wait when you can drive an all-electric Leaf now?” poses Nissan’s
advert launched in today’s New York Times, Los Angeles Times, USA Today and
The Wall Street Journal. “And why drop $1,000 to stand in line when you can
get $4,000 cash back and best-in-class range?”

True is it is an EV now, and leasing is an option as well. Also true is in
six-eight months from now, if one is thinking of getting an EV sooner, the
2017 Chevy Bolt will be available with over 200 miles range.

Nissan’s CEO Carlos Ghosn has also said to expect a second generation Leaf
with competitive range, though no images or other details of this have yet
been revealed.

Since coming to market for 2011, the Leaf has become the world’s
best-selling plug-in vehicle with over 200,000 sold – about half of the
Model 3’s reservation list. It received a range increase in 2013 from an
original 73 miles to 84, and in 2016 its range was upped to 107 for the SV
and SL trim packages, with 84-miles range still specified for the base S
model.

Last year the Leaf’s U.S. sales declined 43 percent to 17,269 units sold.
During 2016’s first quarter, sales have declined 28 percent to 2,931 units.

The company has long offered relatively inexpensive lease deals, now
mentions 0 percent APR for up to 72 months, $4,000 cash back, and also
offers “No Charge to Charge” providing free public access charging for two
years.

And perhaps to capitalize on the mind share of all the people looking to
Tesla, its ad chides the California upstart and people waiting.

Tesla has said the vehicle could get here by late 2017, others have
suggested 2018, 2019, and analysts have even projected some standing in line
now won’t get their Model 3 before 2020. But even if Tesla defies the
bearish and releases the car early, Nissan says it can deliver instant
gratification.

“No one should have any reservations about getting an electric car today,”
says Nissan of its car available now.
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[EVDL] EVLN: New Quebec.ca homes> Electric car charging outlets required

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http://www.cjad.com/cjad-news-human-interest/2016/04/20/electric-car-charging-outlets-to-be-required-in-all-new-homes-report
Electric car charging outlets to be required in all new homes: report
4/20/2016  James Foster

[image]  (EV charging)
Would buying a home with a pre-installed electric car charging outlet
persuade you to give up your gas guzzler? The Quebec government sure hopes
so.

According to the Journal de Montreal the Couillard government will soon
require all new homes built in Quebec to have a 240 volt external outlet for
recharging electric vehicles.

Adding the charging port during construction would only cost a couple
hundred dollars, as opposed to a charging station after the fact, which can
set you back nearly $1,000.

If you rent your home the government wants to make sure you can go green
too.

According to the report, the government plans to force owners of rental
properties to offer tenants a charging station, the measure includes all
existing buildings and not just new ones being built.

To help ease the backlash from rental property owners, the government is
expected to offer a $600 grant to install the charge terminal.

The Quebec Liberals hope to have 100,000 electric cars on Quebec roads by
2020. There are a little over 8,000 right now.
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[EVDL] EVLN: 'EV' version of Honda Clarity to garner CARB credits& easy recharging @home

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'fcv entrenched automakers succumb to physics and go EV'
(You’d have to be an imbecile not to get this)
% fcv discussions are OT on the evdl %

http://blog.caranddriver.com/honda-will-re-enter-the-ev-race-in-2017-with-an-all-electric-version-of-its-clarity/
Honda Will Re-Enter the EV Race in 2017 with an All-Electric Version of its
Clarity
April 21, 2016  Joseph Capparella

[images  
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(Honda Clarity)

http://blog-admin.cddev.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Honda_Clarity_FCV_rear.jpg
]

After discontinuing the Fit EV in 2014, Honda will throw its hat into the EV
ring once again next year with an all-electric, battery-powered version of
its Clarity eco-mobile. The so-called Clarity Electric will follow the
hydrogen-powered Clarity Fuel Cell set to go on sale at some California
dealerships later this year, and a Clarity Plug-In Hybrid variant will
arrive in the U.S. later in 2017.


Other than the assertion that the Clarity Electric will be a battery-powered
five-seat hatchback, the only details Honda has shared so far are that it
will come standard with the Honda Sensing suite of active-safety
technologies and offer Apple CarPlay and Android Auto capabilities as
options. Info on the battery pack, driving range, and price are anybody’s
guess. Honda did say that sales of the EV will start in California before
expanding to other states based on demand. Expect the nine states that
follow California’s zero-emissions vehicle regulations (Connecticut, Maine,
Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, and
Vermont) to be next on the list.


We know that the Clarity Plug-In Hybrid will be sold in all 50 states by the
end of 2017 and that Honda expects this gas-electric version to be the top
seller among the three Clarity variants. The plug-in has an estimated
all-electric driving range of more than 40 miles, with its gasoline engine
stepping in after that to function as a range extender. Both the plug-in and
EV versions of the Clarity are sure to be cheaper than the California-only
Clarity Fuel Cell (pictured), which bears a purchase price of about $60,000
but will be offered for lease at just under $500 a month.


Honda isn’t the only automaker to install multiple earth-friendly
drivetrains in a single body style; Hyundai is doing the same thing with its
Ioniq range of hybrid, plug-in-hybrid, and EV hatchbacks. And there’s always
the venerable Toyota Prius and its various gas-electric powertrains and body
styles, too. Keep an eye out for how Honda will put its own spin on this
idea when we find out more about the Clarity lineup later this year.
[© 2016 Hearst Communications]
...
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1103535_2018-honda-clarity-electric-versions-first-details-including-40-plus-mile-range-for-plug-in-hybrid
2018 Honda Clarity electric versions: first details, including 40-plus-mile
range for plug-in hybrid
Apr 21, 2016
...
http://blog.caranddriver.com/honda-kills-fit-ev-says-it-is-committed-to-other-forms-of-electromotive-transportation/
Honda Kills the Fit EV, Will Concentrate on Other Forms of Electrification



http://electrek.co/2016/04/26/automakers-fuel-cell-hydrogen-electric-vehicles/
Automakers entrenched in fuel cell hydrogen are succumbing to physics and
going electric
[2016/04/26] ...  a new (but long overdue) trend this year. The few
established automakers still pushing [fcvs] appear to be warming up to
battery-powered electric vehicles instead ...
[image
https://electrek.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/hybrid_hydrogen_vs_electric_chart.jpg
(Graphic states: EVs 3x more efficent than fcvs)


link
http://google.com/search?q=phys.org+news85074285


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Nice post. You’d have to be an imbecile not to get this.
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[EVDL] Longest UK distances between charging points revealed

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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-36102259
Electric cars: Longest distances to charging points revealed
[20160421]

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Drivers in parts of London do not have to travel far to find an electric car
charging point
]

Wide variations remain in the average distance between electric car charge
points, with some drivers facing distances of up to 47 miles (76km).

North Devon has the longest average distances between public charging
points, according to Department for Transport statistics.

The RAC said there was "some way to go" before users would be cured of
"range anxiety".

The average distance between charging points in England was 3.8 miles (6km).

It compares with an average distance between petrol and diesel filling
stations of one mile.

In North Devon, the average distance between public charging points can be
between 18 and 47 miles. Barrow-in-Furness in Cumbria has average distances
of up to 37 miles (60km).

The RAC says the furthest distance between petrol stations in the UK is 19
miles, for drivers in Applecross, West Scotland.

However, electric car drivers in Southwark, London, will find a public
charging point every 97m (106 yds). There are parts of Manchester and
Newcastle-upon-Tyne where the average distance to a charge point is only
193m (211 yds).
Rise in use

According to the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders, 17,000 hybrid
and electric cars left UK showrooms in March 2016, compared with 1,354 in
the same month in 2006.

Go Ultra Low, the joint government and car industry campaign to get drivers
to switch to electric vehicles, said year-on-year sales were up 23%, with
more than 115 electric cars registered every day in the first quarter of
2016, equivalent to one every 13 minutes.

Charging vs fuelling
8,500  UK [ice] filling stations
3,904  UK public charging point locations

1 mile average distance between [ice] filling stations
3.8 miles average distance between charging points

106.41p Price per litre for unleaded petrol
96p Typical cost of charging an electric car

Sources: RAC, Zap Map, DfT, thechargingpoint.com

RAC spokesman Simon Williams said: "It should be remembered that one of the
big benefits of electric vehicles is the ability for motorists to charge up
before they leave home.

"But once they've left, they currently rely on charging points on major
roads and in city centres as it is along these roads where the greatest
investment in charging infrastructure has so far taken place.

"Coverage away from major roads is still patchy, but that is to be expected
given where the greatest number of electric vehicles are likely to be.
Having more charging points available will be essential in helping drivers
overcome so-called "range anxiety", where they fear running out of power
before they can recharge."

Poppy Welch, head of Go Ultra Low, said: "Potential electric vehicle (EV)
buyers can be encouraged by the fact that there are already more than 10,000
publicly-accessible charge points located across the UK and many more new
units are being installed in urban and rural areas in the coming months."

Dale Vince, founder of green energy supplier Ecotricity and charging network
the Electric Highway, said drivers were getting more miles per charge as
technology improved.

He said: "In the last couple of years we've seen improvements in charging
times; coming down from several hours to 20 minutes - and improvements in
vehicle range; from a typical 100 to more like 200 today."
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