[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20171025

[brucedp5 via EV]

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-ice-Experts-say-there-s-no-need-for-a-750mi-EV-range-sweet-spot-tp4688358.html
EVLN: (ice) Experts say there's no need for a 750mi EV-range sweet spot
746 miles on a charge? Experts say sweet spot for electric vehicles is less
... Adding more battery to an electric vehicle also adds weight, which would
affect vehicle payload — a ...  Experts say there's no need ... (or they
don't want EVs to compete with ice?)

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Norwegian-Opel-dealers-asked-to-stop-taking-Ampera-e-Bolt-EV-orders-tp4688357.html
EVLN: Norwegian Opel dealers asked to stop taking Ampera-e(Bolt) EV orders
Opel asks Norwegian dealers to stop taking orders for Bolt EVs ...
... than in the US. So much so that Opel has now asked its Norwegian dealers
to stop taking orders for the new all-electric vehicle as supply can't match
demand ...

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-S-X-based-Electric-Tesla-service-vehicles-tp4688355.html
EVLN: S based Electric Tesla service vehicles
Tesla is about to come out with a new all-electric service vehicle based on
the Model S and Model X vehicles ... We didn’t think it was very cool to
show up to fix an EV w/ a ice ...

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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Employees-protest-mass-firings-Fremont-CA-Tesla-factory-tp4688354.html
Employees protest mass firings @Fremont-CA Tesla factory
Tesla has 33,000 employees worldwide, including 10,000 at its Fremont
electric car factory. The company is rushing to get its much-anticipated
Model 3 vehicle ...

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Untruths-in-Toyota-advertising-lies-lies-and-more-lies-tp4688353.html
Untruths in Toyota advertising: lies, lies, and more lies




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[EVDL] EVLN: (ice) Experts say there's no need for a 750mi EV-range sweet spot

[brucedp5 via EV]

% These were the same ice-bozos that said there is no need for more than 50
miles, nor 100 mile, nor 200+ mile range ... but the public is only thinking
what those same ice experts have told them: more range is better, thus more
range sells. %

http://www.theledger.com/news/20171022/746-miles-on-charge-experts-say-theres-no-need
746 miles on a charge? Experts say there’s no need
Oct 22, 2017  Eric D. Lawrence / Detroit Free Press

[image  / ERIC D LAWRENCE/DETROIT FREE PRESS
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(bolt)  Industry watchers and auto executives are tapping the brakes on the
idea that the future of mainstream electric vehicles will be tied to an
ever-expanding range. Some now say they believe the sweet spot for battery
range might already have been reached
]

DETROIT — Elon Musk predicted two years ago that a Tesla should be able to
travel almost 746 miles on a single charge by 2020.

It was considered a bold statement from a CEO known for making bold
statements, but it was also a sentiment that reflected a widely held belief
in the inevitability of, and need for, increasingly longer-range electric
vehicles if the vehicles were ever to truly gain traction with consumers.

Electric vehicle battery technology has improved since that 2015 prediction
and some vehicles continue to push the limits for range — some versions of
Tesla’s Model S luxury sedan already rate at more than 330 miles on a charge
under normal conditions, and an Italian Tesla owners group said in August
that it managed 670 miles driving with no air-conditioning at 25 mph.

But recent assessments by industry watchers and auto executives are tapping
the brakes on the idea that the foreseeable future of mainstream electric
vehicles will be tied to an ever-expanding range.

Some experts now say they believe the sweet spot for battery range might
already have been reached.

“I wouldn’t expect to see vehicles go much beyond about 300 miles per range
and I think most mainstream EVs are probably going to be in the, kind of
where the Bolt is now, 200 to 240 miles of range, and I think the 200-mile
threshold is really kind of the sweet spot for EV,” said Sam Abuelsamid, a
senior analyst at Navigant Research who is based in the Detroit area.

The idea will get tested as an increasing number of automakers roll out new
electric vehicles in coming years.

Ford and General Motors, for instance, made major EV (shorthand for electric
vehicles) announcements in recent weeks, with Ford saying it would invest
$4.5 billion and introduce 13 new electric vehicles in the next five years
and GM promising to have more than 20 EVs on sale by 2023. Plenty of other
automakers — Volvo, Volkswagen and Mercedes-Benz among them — have also made
recent EV announcements as countries like China threaten to eventually ban
gas engines.

A major reason that EV battery range might not see significant increases in
the near term is simply cost, which increases with more capable
electric-vehicle batteries. Adding more battery to an electric vehicle also
adds weight, which would affect vehicle payload — a consideration likely to
be more important as automakers launch electric trucks and SUVs.

When Nissan brought its 2018 Leaf to a technology conference in Detroit in
September, the company said it was targeting value customers with the
150-mile electric range vehicle, with a price tag starting at under $30,000.
That level marks an improvement over the previous version’s 84-mile range,
but it falls well short of the Bolt and the various Tesla models. The
company does plan to release a longer-range version, but the issue of adding
cost gets at a key issue for automakers.

Both the Bolt and the Tesla Model 3, Tesla’s attempt to launch an electric
vehicle for the masses — only get below $30,000 with government incentives.
The Model 3 starts at $35,000 but there’s a waiting list and the base model
may not offer what Tesla fans expect, meaning the true cost would likely be
higher. The Bolt, which is now available nationwide, starts at $37,495
before a $7,500 federal tax credit.

Abuelsamid noted that each manufacturer has a limited number of credits, and
he expects both GM and Tesla to hit that limit as early as next year. That
would mean the cost for some of the most popular EVs will likely go up
because the Trump administration is not expected to seek an extension of
those credits.

Britta Gross, GM’s director of advanced vehicle commercialization policy,
discussed the issue of battery range in August at a state conference
weighing the best route to expand Michigan’s public charging infrastructure,
saying that she does not believe the future of electric vehicles is in
batteries that can power a vehicle for close to 800 miles on a charge.

“No, I don’t see that happening at all,” she said, noting that longer ranges
add cost and an automaker’s priority now is in reducing the cost of
technology for electric 

[EVDL] EVLN: Norwegian Opel dealers asked to stop taking Ampera-e(Bolt) EV orders

[brucedp5 via EV]

https://electrek.co/2017/10/20/chevy-bolt-ev-opel-norwegian-dealers-stop-taking-orders/
Opel asks Norwegian dealers to stop taking orders for Bolt EVs (Ampera E) as
supply can’t match demand
Oct. 20th 2017  Fred Lambert

[image  
https://electrek.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/opel-ampera-e-500494.jpg?quality=82=1024#038;strip=all=1600
]

The situation around the availability of the Chevy Bolt EV in Europe, where
it is sold as the Opel Ampera E, has been even more difficult than in the
US.

So much so that Opel has now asked its Norwegian dealers to stop taking
orders for the new all-electric vehicle as supply can’t match demand.

The situation is especially murky since GM sold Opel and all of its European
operations to the PSA Group.

But as part of the deal, GM was to keep supplying Opel with Bolt EVs to be
sold in Europe as the ‘Ampera E’.

Apparently, that supply has been nowhere near the level of the demand for
the vehicle in Europe and especially in Norway.

Reports came out this week that Opel was ordering a ‘order stoppage’ for the
vehicle which prompted rumors that the vehicle wouldn’t be available
anymore.

We reached out to the company and Opel spokesperson Christopher Rux
responded that they have indeed “suspended taking new orders for the
Ampera-e,” but he claims that it is “to focus first on satisfying customers
with existing contracts and who are waiting for their cars.”

He says that “nearly 1,000 Ampera-E vehicles” have been delivered in Europe
so far, with most of them in Norway, but deliveries have also started in
Germany, Switzerland, and Netherlands.

On the other hand, Rux confirmed that almost 5,000 people have placed orders
for the electric car in Norway alone. 

Rux couldn’t say when those people could expect to get their vehicles – only
saying that they “will continue to serve the demand as effectively as
possible.”

In the US, GM has delivered just under 15,000 Bolt EVs since the launch last
year and while deliveries have increased in recent months, Bolt EV
inventories increased to several thousand units during the summer. Most of
the inventory was in California while other states were starved of the
all-electric vehicle, like some European markets.

It’s not clear what is stopping them from producing/delivering more cars. In
Europe, the PSA deal might be at play, but they were also reports that GM is
losing money on the vehicle without ZEV credits.

It’s certainly not stopping GM’s electric vehicle effort, which was
reinforced this month with a new commitment to bring to market 2 new
all-electric cars within 18 months and 20 more within the next 5 years.
[© electrek.co]




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Re: [EVDL] Untruths in Toyota advertising: lies, lies, and more lies

[Mark Abramowitz via EV]

Really?  A lie?  Puh-leeze.

All they were saying was that it gets carpool lane access.  That's true, and 
the point of showing carpool lane access sticker.

So they showed the wrong color sticker (that wasn't on the car). Big deal. A 
distinction without a difference from a practical standpoint.

Have a glass of a nice Cabernet.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:36 PM, brucedp5 via EV  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> A local Toyota TV ad was pushing Prius Prime (which is not an EV).
> Yet, it prominently had a white CA hov (car pool lane) sticker shown on the
> upper right of the TV screen ad (as if the Prius Prime was an EV, which it
> isn't, its a hybrid which can only have a green CA hov sticker).
> 
> You can see the white sticker 7 seconds into their video:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNKjDb5UO4A
> Wouldn't It Be Nice - Prius Prime - 0:17
> 4 hours ago - Uploaded by Scott Skougard ...
> 
> For those that can't load the video, see the white hov sticker shown in the
> thumbnail image on:
> 
> https://www.google.com/search?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJNKjDb5UO4A
> 
> 
> Here are images of the correct sticker a prius prime should display:
> 
> https://attachments.priuschat.com/attachment-files/2017/01/119524_image.jpeg
> 
> https://attachments.priuschat.com/attachment-files/2017/02/120945_IMG_0226.jpg
> 
> https://attachments.priuschat.com/attachment-files/2017/02/120944_IMG_0225.jpg
> 
> 
> Clearly, Toyota TV ad is lying, ... again.
> Not a big lie perhaps, but it gives you that bad taste of how
> sneaky-deceptive automakers are.
> 
> https://www.google.com/search?q=car+ads+that+lie+to+you
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[EVDL] EVLN: S based Electric Tesla service vehicles

[brucedp5 via EV]

https://electrek.co/2017/10/19/tesla-new-electric-service-vehicles-based-model-s-model-x/
Tesla is launching new all-electric service vehicles based on Model S and
Model X next year
Oct. 19th 2017  Fred Lambert

[images  
https://electrek.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/1-yfocp4j-e1489201635845.jpg?quality=82=1024#038;strip=all=1600

https://electrek.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/5-lunktnl.jpg?quality=82=all=496=372
/ Dagery on Reddit

https://electrek.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/4-apnszfm.jpg?quality=82=all=496=372
]

Tesla is about to come out with a new all-electric service vehicle based on
the Model S and Model X vehicles, according to Jon McNeill, Tesla’s
President of Global Sales and Services.

The new vehicles will be used to replace service vans – pictured above – in
Tesla’s mobile service program as soon as next year, said the executive.

McNeill was at Tesla’s ‘owner social’ event in Amsterdam earlier this week.
Owners present at his presentation relayed to Electrek some interesting
information that he revealed.

When talking about Tesla’s current mobile vans, McNeill said:

“We didn’t think that it was very cool to show up to fix an electric
vehicle with a combustion engine van. It really bugged us. Some really savvy
technicians on our team figured out how to retrofit Model X to fit all the
tooling and parts needed to do service.”

That is actually impressive when you look at the type of equipment that they
currently have in their ICE service vans, which they claim can fix over 80%
of the issues on Tesla’s vehicles

It will be interesting to see a Model X with the same or equivalent
equipment, but that’s not all.

The executive added that they also figured out how to retrofit Model S with
the same equipment. The modifications are apparently important enough that
the vehicles need to be approved by road authorities, which McNeill expects
will happen next year.

He added:

“It will be an electric vehicle fixing an electric vehicle.”

The new vehicles will apparently be an important part of Tesla’s service
strategy going forward since it recently doubled down on its mobile service
program.

Last quarter, Tesla announced plans to triple service capacity with 1,400
new techs, 350 new service vans, and in-car scheduling.

Electrek’s Take

I expect this move will be welcomed here since “how come the van is not
electric?” is almost always the first comment on our articles about Tesla’s
mobile service.

What I find especially interesting is that when also accounting for the
upcoming launch of Tesla Semi, the company’s new all-electric heavy-duty
truck, Tesla will have the opportunity to electrify virtually its entire
internal fleet of vehicles.

In California, Tesla reportedly operates about 100 trucks and they are
apparently aiming to have hundreds of service vans.

If the company can itself go all-electric for its own operations, it would
send a strong message about the potential of all-electric fleets at the
commercial level and even industrial level.
[© electrek.co]



http://www.hybridcars.com/tesla-looking-at-electric-mobile-service-trucks/
Tesla Looking at Electric Mobile Service Trucks
October 19, 2017... The new service vehicles would be based on the Model X,
or even the Model S, and would replace the conventional trucks the company
is currently using to provide mobile service ... “We didn’t think that it
was very cool to show up to fix an electric vehicle with a combustion engine
van. It really bugged us. Some really savvy technicians on our team figured
out how to retrofit Model X to fit all the tooling and parts needed to do
service,” McNeill said ...
http://www.hybridcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Tesla-mobile-service-technician-668x409.jpg
...
https://www.inverse.com/article/37543-tesla-repair-vans-electric
Tesla Is Getting Ready to Fill in the Missing Piece of Its Electric Empire
Oct 19, 2017  As Electrik reports, the car maker is set to unveil an
all-electric service vehicle based on their ever-popular Model S and Model
X, keeping their eco-friendly ... This isn’t the first time the famed Model
S has been refitted into an oversized vehicle. Last year, the S was
“stretched” into a limo by a novelty limo company ...
https://fsmedia.imgix.net/da/f1/c7/1a/cbb1/4b1e/90f7/12351159b7d3.jpeg




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[EVDL] Employees protest mass firings @Fremont-CA Tesla factory

[brucedp5 via EV]

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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Tesla-boned-axed-sacked-400-700-employees-engineers-managers-factory-workers-tp4688229.html
(Tesla sacked 400+ employees)
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https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2017/10/24/tesla-employees-protest-mass-firings-at-fremont.html
Tesla employees protest mass firings at Fremont factory
Oct 24, 2017  Jennifer Elias

[images  
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Employees protested Tesla's mass firings, which the company claimed were a
result of routine performance reviews  Former Tesla workers protest at the
company's Fremont facility

https://media.bizj.us/view/img/10667315/tesla3*480xx3024-4032-0-0.jpg
Jonathan Galescu, a Tesla worker, brought his family and told the crowd to
stand up for what they believe in
]

Employees protested Tesla's mass firings, which the company claimed were a
result of routine performance reviews.

Tesla workers and community members rallied Tuesday at Tesla's Fremont
factory claiming employees were unfairly fired in droves.

Employees were seen outside the facility carrying signs that read "Cars
don't build themselves" and "Driving a fair future" one week after a number
of Tesla employees said the dismissal of hundreds of workers were not
performance-related firings but actually layoffs in disguise, a claim the
Palo Alto-based company strongly disputes.

Among the speakers at the rally were Alameda County Supervisor Richard
Valle, Maria Noel Fernandez who works for nonprofit Silicon Valley Rising,
Alameda Labor Council members and former employees. The rally was organized
by the International Union, United Automobile, Aerospace and Agricultural
Implement Workers of America (UAW).

People also rallied inside the showroom of Tesla’s Fremont facility, the UAW
stated in an email to the Silicon Valley Business Journal.

Earlier this month, Tesla confirmed that it had given notice to several
hundred employees, but said it was part of company-wide annual performance
reviews and that it was still hiring for positions. The workers affected by
the cuts were mostly people in administrative and sales positions, the
company said.

Former Tesla employee Mike Williams said he was fired despite his recent
performance reviews stating he was “consistently strong,” according to UAW.
"After working hard for this company for five years, I was fired without any
explanation... I do not believe I was fired for performance."

“Today, we are calling on Tesla, a major employer in our county, to consider
the impact that firing hundreds of people has on our community,” Valle
reportedly told the crowd, according to a UAW press release. “We are
concerned that workers who raised their voices are among those fired, and we
believe they should be reinstated.”

A Tesla spokesperson sent the following response via an emailed statement to
the Silicon Valley Business Journal on Tuesday:

"At Tesla, we strive to be a fair and just company, the only kind worth
being. No one at Tesla has ever or will ever have any action taken against
them based on their feelings on unionization. Some employees recently left
Tesla, but what has not been reported is that a much larger number — 17% of
our employees — were promoted, and almost half of those promotions were
within our factory in Fremont. We are a company where people can be promoted
as quickly as their talents and work allow. It is not unexpected that union
supporters would protest any decision we make, including this one, and we
respect their right to do so.” 

Tesla has 33,000 employees worldwide, including 10,000 at its Fremont
electric car factory. The company is rushing to get its much-anticipated
Model 3 vehicle off the production line.
Jonathan Galescu, a Tesla worker, brought his family and told the crowd to
stand up for what they believe in.
[© 2017 American City Business Journals]




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[EVDL] Untruths in Toyota advertising: lies, lies, and more lies

[brucedp5 via EV]

A local Toyota TV ad was pushing Prius Prime (which is not an EV).
Yet, it prominently had a white CA hov (car pool lane) sticker shown on the
upper right of the TV screen ad (as if the Prius Prime was an EV, which it
isn't, its a hybrid which can only have a green CA hov sticker).

You can see the white sticker 7 seconds into their video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNKjDb5UO4A
Wouldn't It Be Nice - Prius Prime - 0:17
4 hours ago - Uploaded by Scott Skougard ...

For those that can't load the video, see the white hov sticker shown in the
thumbnail image on:

https://www.google.com/search?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJNKjDb5UO4A


Here are images of the correct sticker a prius prime should display:

https://attachments.priuschat.com/attachment-files/2017/01/119524_image.jpeg

https://attachments.priuschat.com/attachment-files/2017/02/120945_IMG_0226.jpg

https://attachments.priuschat.com/attachment-files/2017/02/120944_IMG_0225.jpg


Clearly, Toyota TV ad is lying, ... again.
Not a big lie perhaps, but it gives you that bad taste of how
sneaky-deceptive automakers are.

https://www.google.com/search?q=car+ads+that+lie+to+you




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Re: [EVDL] Smart ED battery

[mark hanson via EV]

Yeah, that sounds like a great price!  It sounds like you don't have to do the 
annual "checkups" for battery warranty...


Have a renewable energy day,

Mark

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-Original Message-
From: Bill Collins [mailto:ph...@bill-collins.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 5:38 PM
To: Mark Hanson
Cc: ev@lists.evdl.org
Subject: Re: Smart ED battery

Probably not, but I think I got my $4,500 worth with the used one I bought.

> On October 25, 2017 at 3:46 PM Mark Hanson  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Bill etc
> So is Mercedes or Smart now going to match other EVs with a 100k mile 8 year 
> battery/drive train warranty and provide a service manual with a Canbus obd2 
> reader and not require annual bogus dealer padding checkups to keep the 
> battery warranty in place?
> Have a renewable energy day
> Mark in Roanoke Va 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Oct 24, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Bill Collins  wrote:
> > 
> > Here's what my local expert says:
> > 
> > "Go take a look at the Smart Club of America forums because this has been 
> > discussed and Mercedes Benz is not only turning off that program but they 
> > have no interest in going after the vehicles that came off lease. In fact 
> > the legal responsibility is on whoever bought the vehicle at auction they 
> > signed the paperwork and they're the ones that are on the hook for it, if 
> > it's changed hands at a couple dealerships you got nothing to worry about. 
> > I want to say yours the battery was bought out right because the guy who 
> > originally owned it lived in Sanford and that's why it's got such high 
> > mileage"
> > 
> > I will check out the forums when I have a chance.
> > 
> > No, it does not have a way to shut it off remotely. I suppose they could 
> > try to keep the car if I took it in for service, but I don't think they 
> > would have any legal grounds, since I have no contract with them.
> > 
> > Bill
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> On October 24, 2017 at 4:52 PM Mark Hanson  wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Hi Bill
> >> When I called smart 2 years ago they said that they track used cars and 
> >> force the new owner to either pay an additional $5k or about $99 battery 
> >> payments. How did you get around that?  Did they change their policy?
> >> Best regards
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [EVDL] Smart ED battery

[Bill Collins via EV]

Probably not, but I think I got my $4,500 worth with the used one I bought.

> On October 25, 2017 at 3:46 PM Mark Hanson  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Bill etc
> So is Mercedes or Smart now going to match other EVs with a 100k mile 8 year 
> battery/drive train warranty and provide a service manual with a Canbus obd2 
> reader and not require annual bogus dealer padding checkups to keep the 
> battery warranty in place?
> Have a renewable energy day
> Mark in Roanoke Va 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Oct 24, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Bill Collins  wrote:
> > 
> > Here's what my local expert says:
> > 
> > "Go take a look at the Smart Club of America forums because this has been 
> > discussed and Mercedes Benz is not only turning off that program but they 
> > have no interest in going after the vehicles that came off lease. In fact 
> > the legal responsibility is on whoever bought the vehicle at auction they 
> > signed the paperwork and they're the ones that are on the hook for it, if 
> > it's changed hands at a couple dealerships you got nothing to worry about. 
> > I want to say yours the battery was bought out right because the guy who 
> > originally owned it lived in Sanford and that's why it's got such high 
> > mileage"
> > 
> > I will check out the forums when I have a chance.
> > 
> > No, it does not have a way to shut it off remotely. I suppose they could 
> > try to keep the car if I took it in for service, but I don't think they 
> > would have any legal grounds, since I have no contract with them.
> > 
> > Bill
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> On October 24, 2017 at 4:52 PM Mark Hanson  wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Hi Bill
> >> When I called smart 2 years ago they said that they track used cars and 
> >> force the new owner to either pay an additional $5k or about $99 battery 
> >> payments. How did you get around that?  Did they change their policy?
> >> Best regards
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [EVDL] Smart ED battery

[Mark Hanson via EV]

Hi Bill etc
So is Mercedes or Smart now going to match other EVs with a 100k mile 8 year 
battery/drive train warranty and provide a service manual with a Canbus obd2 
reader and not require annual bogus dealer padding checkups to keep the battery 
warranty in place?
Have a renewable energy day
Mark in Roanoke Va 

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> On Oct 24, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Bill Collins  wrote:
> 
> Here's what my local expert says:
> 
> "Go take a look at the Smart Club of America forums because this has been 
> discussed and Mercedes Benz is not only turning off that program but they 
> have no interest in going after the vehicles that came off lease. In fact the 
> legal responsibility is on whoever bought the vehicle at auction they signed 
> the paperwork and they're the ones that are on the hook for it, if it's 
> changed hands at a couple dealerships you got nothing to worry about. I want 
> to say yours the battery was bought out right because the guy who originally 
> owned it lived in Sanford and that's why it's got such high mileage"
> 
> I will check out the forums when I have a chance.
> 
> No, it does not have a way to shut it off remotely. I suppose they could try 
> to keep the car if I took it in for service, but I don't think they would 
> have any legal grounds, since I have no contract with them.
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> 
>> On October 24, 2017 at 4:52 PM Mark Hanson  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Bill
>> When I called smart 2 years ago they said that they track used cars and 
>> force the new owner to either pay an additional $5k or about $99 battery 
>> payments. How did you get around that?  Did they change their policy?
>> Best regards
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla 100D EV vs Mercedes E63 AMG 4-door sedan ice (v)

[paul dove via EV]

I wonder if Tesla will sue again.

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> On Oct 24, 2017, at 11:51 PM, brucedp5 via EV  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> https://finance.yahoo.com/news/top-gear-raced-tesla-100d-against-mercedes-sedan-33878.html
> ‘Top Gear’ raced a Tesla 100D against a Mercedes sedan, and you’ll totally
> believe what happened next
> October 18, 2017  Chris Mills BGR News
> 
> [image  
> http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/News/BGR_News/top-gear.png
> Mercedes ice
> ]
> 
> At this point, drag-racing a Tesla Model S P100D against (insert gas-powered
> car here) is a foregone conclusion. The Tesla’s electric motors can produce
> massive amounts of torque right off the line, which means that any gas
> engine isn’t going to come close to the 0-60 times.
> 
> But Top Gear wanted to thoroughly test the limits of the Tesla’s speed, so
> they put it up against a Mercedes E63 AMG 4-door sedan, the answer to every
> engineer’s question of “how far is too far.”
> 
> The result really isn’t surprising at all: the Tesla takes the Mercedes by a
> couple car-lengths. It beat it off the line, and there wasn’t really a hope
> of a comeback at any point. If the race had been twice as long, the Mercedes
> may well have caught up — electric cars suck at extremely high speeds, where
> air resistance is more of a factor — but over a standard drag-race distance,
> it’s humbling to see just how fast the Tesla is.
> 
> The video did showcase one other thing, though: Tesla’s aren’t nearly as
> reliable or intuitive as the gas-powered cars. We’ve been conditioned by
> years of driving to expect certain controls and processes, and by all
> accounts, driving a Tesla is a big change. That showed up here, as the
> driver of the Tesla had to turn the car off and on again just to get it to
> start.
> [© yahoo.com]
> 
> 
> 
> https://bgr.com/2017/10/18/tesla-p100d-drag-race-mercedes-e63-whoa/
> ‘Top Gear’ raced a Tesla 100D against a Mercedes sedan, and you’ll totally
> believe what happened next
> October 18th, 2017 ... At this point, drag-racing a Tesla Model S P100D
> against [insert gas-powered car here] is a foregone conclusion. The Tesla’s
> electric motors can produce massive amounts of torque right off the …
> [video  flash]
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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