Re: [EVDL] EVnewswire status: heart, again

[Jim Walls via EV]

On 2/25/2018 23:30, brucedp5 via EV wrote:

afib heart problems, again ...



I hope it goes well for you Bruce.

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[EVDL] EVnewswire status: heart, again

[brucedp5 via EV]

afib heart problems, again ...

I felt awful last night. my blood pressure meter kept giving odd readings
except that my heart rate is twice what it normally is.

This afib high heart rate has happened before (the heart is not pumping the
right way= low energy, +more). The last time the Dr's had to do an
Electrical Cardioversion (they kill you and then, hopefully, bring you back)
https://www.google.com/search?q=Electrical+Cardioversion

I have a VA Hospital appt. on Tues 27th to get started at that TX facility I
am switching to (then this happened, oh-boy). I am going to move my
stuff/empty-out my rented room, to my tx ice and take along my hospital bag
(encase of a long hospital stay). I am hoping my 4G tether holds out during
my long observation period laying on a gurney connected with tubes and
sensors with monitor beeps and nurse's chatter (as if no one else can hear).

So, EV news posts may be delayed.
I hope to post the items I have queued later (I am in training for a 10hr
fasting period on Tuesday starting at 1am, for an 11am lab blood draw).

I have better take a nap now, to regain some energy :-zzz


Bruce {EVangel} Parmenter

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Re: [EVDL] Clutch Actuator

[Jay Summet via EV]

On February 25, 2018 10:33:48 AM EST, John Lussmyer via EV  
wrote:
>On Sat Feb 24 18:46:38 PST 2018 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>>FYI - Down-shifting can be done a lot faster than up-shifting with
>just
>>synchros, if you "goose" the throttle to bring the motor up to speed
>>with the transmission.
>
>Easy with a gas engine.
>Much harder with an Electric Motor and a Z2K controller.  It's REALLY
>REALLY easy to wind the motor up to max RPM's almost instantly.

I only have a 400amp Curtis, so maybe that makes it easier on me. 
IIRC, the zilla has over speed protection as an option though?

Jay

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Re: [EVDL] Clutch Actuator

[John Lussmyer via EV]

On Sun Feb 25 13:15:12 PST 2018 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>https://www.ebay.com/itm/87-91-Ford-Hydraulic-Clutch-Brake-Pedal-Assembly-F150-F250-F350-Bronco-Manual/323080675802?hash=item4b391be1da:g:ri8AAOSwuA1ah8XC=mtr
>
>Perhaps F-150s had a hydraulic clutch for some years.  More research is
>required but you may be able to pick up a used one at a salvage yard.

Yes, ford trucks have had hydraulic clutches for years.
As I have said, the problem is MOUTING the clutch pedal.
This truck was originally an automatic, the pedal mounting system is completely 
different from the manual transmission version of the truck.


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Re: [EVDL] Clutch Actuator

[Cliff Crabtree via EV]

My 1987 Pontiac Fiero has a hydraulic clutch the parts are available at 
"The Fiero Store" - "https://www.fierostore.com/;


The parts that might help with this effort are here: 
"https://www.fierostore.com/Product/Browse.aspx?d=103=1;


Hope this helps,


Cliff


On 02/25/2018 07:40 AM, John Lussmyer via EV wrote:

On Sat Feb 24 17:51:27 PST 2018 ev@lists.evdl.org said:

There are pedals that just operate a hydraulic cylinder, the only change
to the vehicle would then be to create a small hole to run a hydraulic
line
to the bell housing where you mount the slave cylinder.

So, any idea where I can find such a thing?



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Re: [EVDL] Clutch Actuator

[Cliff Crabtree via EV]

Hi Cor and John,

I came across this pedal assembly on ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/87-91-Ford-Hydraulic-Clutch-Brake-Pedal-Assembly-F150-F250-F350-Bronco-Manual/323080675802?hash=item4b391be1da:g:ri8AAOSwuA1ah8XC=mtr


Perhaps F-150s had a hydraulic clutch for some years.  More research is 
required but you may be able to pick up a used one at a salvage yard.


Later,

Cliff

On 02/25/2018 08:59 AM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:

Hi John,I searched for "hydraulic clutch" and a lot of results and suppliers 
came up, with pedal assemblies and slave cylinders.Success!


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John Lussmyer <cou...@casadelgato.com> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Clutch Actuator
On Sat Feb 24 17:51:27 PST 2018 ev@lists.evdl.org said:

There are pedals that just operate a hydraulic cylinder, the only change
to the vehicle would then be to create a small hole to run a hydraulic
line
to the bell housing where you mount the slave cylinder.

So, any idea where I can find such a thing?



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Re: [EVDL] Clutch Actuator

[Cor van de Water via EV]

Actually, I searched for "Hydraulic Clutch Pedal Assembly",
but I was not near my laptop when I first answered.

Wilwood, Speedway, CNC are names that come up with this search:
https://www.google.com/search?q=hydraulic+clutch+pedal+assembly

Cor.

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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Clutch Actuator

Hi John,I searched for "hydraulic clutch" and a lot of results and
suppliers came up, with pedal assemblies and slave cylinders.Success!


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<cou...@casadelgato.com> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Clutch Actuator On Sat Feb
24 17:51:27 PST 2018 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>There are pedals that just operate a hydraulic cylinder, the only 
>change to the vehicle would then be to create a small hole to run a 
>hydraulic line to the bell housing where you mount the slave cylinder.

So, any idea where I can find such a thing?



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Re: [EVDL] Clutch Actuator

[Cor van de Water via EV]

Hi John,I searched for "hydraulic clutch" and a lot of results and suppliers 
came up, with pedal assemblies and slave cylinders.Success!


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<ev@lists.evdl.org> Date: 2/25/18  7:40 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: Electric Vehicle 
Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> Cc: John Lussmyer <cou...@casadelgato.com> 
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Clutch Actuator 
On Sat Feb 24 17:51:27 PST 2018 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>There are pedals that just operate a hydraulic cylinder, the only change
>to the vehicle would then be to create a small hole to run a hydraulic
>line
>to the bell housing where you mount the slave cylinder.

So, any idea where I can find such a thing?



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Re: [EVDL] Clutch Actuator

[John Lussmyer via EV]

On Sat Feb 24 17:51:27 PST 2018 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>There are pedals that just operate a hydraulic cylinder, the only change
>to the vehicle would then be to create a small hole to run a hydraulic
>line
>to the bell housing where you mount the slave cylinder.

So, any idea where I can find such a thing?



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Re: [EVDL] Clutch Actuator

[John Lussmyer via EV]

On Sat Feb 24 18:46:38 PST 2018 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>FYI - Down-shifting can be done a lot faster than up-shifting with just
>synchros, if you "goose" the throttle to bring the motor up to speed
>with the transmission.

Easy with a gas engine.
Much harder with an Electric Motor and a Z2K controller.  It's REALLY REALLY 
easy to wind the motor up to max RPM's almost instantly.

>The upshift without a clutch is much more annoying, because you have to
>wait for the motor to slow down to match speed, and when you are
>upshifting it's typically because you want to go faster...so you are
>coasting along with no acceleration for 5 seconds holding up traffic.

Yup, BUT with the smaller mass of the Electric motor, the synchros can actually 
force the motor to slow down.

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Re: [EVDL] Clutch Actuator

[Lee Hart via EV]

Jay Summet via EV wrote:

FYI - Down-shifting can be done a lot faster than up-shifting with just
synchros, if you "goose" the throttle to bring the motor up to speed
with the transmission.


You'll get good at it with practice, too. My ComutaVan was clutcless, 
and I got good at shifting by ear. It's also a useful skill for old cars 
and motorcycles, which often did not have synchronizers.



The upshift without a clutch is much more annoying... so you are
coasting along with no acceleration for 5 seconds holding up traffic.


Yes indeed. However, it's much better if you leave out the flywheel. My 
ComutaVan had no flywheel or clutch assembly at all, and my LeCar EV has 
a severely lightened flywheel.



I've considered adding a "regen" alternator to the front shaft of my
motor with a button on the shifter that I could trigger so I can "order"
the motor to slow down on command...also so that I can get a little bit
of regen on my DC motor]


I considered it as well, but don't have the room. But many controllers 
have "plug braking", which in essense shorts the motor to make it slow 
down faster. Plug braking also prevents the motor from violently 
becoming a generator if it is rotated backwards while it is powered 
forwards.

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Re: [EVDL] Clutch Actuator

[Jay Summet via EV]

FYI - Down-shifting can be done a lot faster than up-shifting with just 
synchros, if you "goose" the throttle to bring the motor up to speed 
with the transmission.


I have no problem downshifting without a clutch using the "stomp on the 
throttle a few times to match the motor speed" trick. Typically when you 
downshift it is because you are slowing down, so not having acceleration 
during the shifting process isn't an issue.


The upshift without a clutch is much more annoying, because you have to 
wait for the motor to slow down to match speed, and when you are 
upshifting it's typically because you want to go faster...so you are 
coasting along with no acceleration for 5 seconds holding up traffic. 
[I've considered adding a "regen" alternator to the front shaft of my 
motor with a button on the shifter that I could trigger so I can "order" 
the motor to slow down on command...also so that I can get a little bit 
of regen on my DC motor]


Jay




On 02/24/2018 07:40 PM, John Lussmyer via EV wrote:

My Electric F-150 has a clutch, but no clutch pedal.  So I can't actually 
disengage the clutch.  I can shift from 3rd to 4th just using the syncrhos, 
takes 5-10 seconds.
This hasn't been a major problem, but  there are times when I would like to 
shift down, and that can be difficult and slow.
Does anyone know of a solenoid or servo that can operate the clutch lever that 
is sticks out of the bell housing?
I'm guessing it may need 100lbs of force, and a 1" stroke.

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