[EVDL] (aboutface): Tesla cancels Fremont-CA back2work plans

[evln via EV]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/27/tesla-cancels-plans-to-bring-workers-back-to-us-car-plant-this-week.html
Tesla cancels plans to bring workers back to US car plant this week
Apr 27 2020 ... Tesla canceled its plans to bring workers back to production
lines at its Fremont, California car plant this week according to internal
correspondence shared with CNBC.
Local authorities in Alameda County also extended health orders, on Monday,
which limit Elon Musk’s electric vehicle company to “minimum basic
operations” at its main, US car plant ...
https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/105997478-156233445gettyimages-534236140.jpeg
...
https://www.google.com/search?q=back+to+work+plans


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Re: [EVDL] Minibms?

[Lawrence Winiarski via EV]

I think I understand the history.    I need to have a few for myself,  (I'd 
like around 20) but beyond that 
It seems ultimately we should make a PCB gerber file and opensource it for v2?  
Seems a reasonable start.    

Mr Sharkey:   Are you in Oregon?   I live in Monroe Oregon.

On Monday, April 27, 2020, 4:35:27 PM PDT, Mr. Sharkey via EV 
 wrote:  
 
 The MiniBMS system was originally started as an open source project 
by users of the DIY Electric Car forum. It was mostly spearheaded by 
Dimitri, with input from several interested users. The first version 
as intended to be able to used with all the cell modules on one PCB, 
with voltage sense wiring going to each cell. It could also be cut 
into individual PCBs and cell-mounted. There are vestigial PCB traces 
for the opto interconnection even on the v.2 cell modules from this 
design (I cut those traces off individual boards, as they add to the 
creepage problem). A 4x4/16 cell PCB was standard, but other 
configurations were possible.

After the basic system was designed by the group, and Dimitri had a 
few runs of v.1 and then v.2 boards printed and stuffed, he decided 
that the project was no longer open source, and took it private, much 
to the dissatisfaction of the other participants. It wasn't a lot 
after that the he sold the intellectual property rights and name to 
EVPower, who further refined the design and packaging.

I agree that we have a chance to reintroduce a good portion of these 
available cell modules to the EV community for those who are 
interested. How shall we procede?

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Re: [EVDL] Minibms?

[Mr. Sharkey via EV]

The MiniBMS system was originally started as an open source project 
by users of the DIY Electric Car forum. It was mostly spearheaded by 
Dimitri, with input from several interested users. The first version 
as intended to be able to used with all the cell modules on one PCB, 
with voltage sense wiring going to each cell. It could also be cut 
into individual PCBs and cell-mounted. There are vestigial PCB traces 
for the opto interconnection even on the v.2 cell modules from this 
design (I cut those traces off individual boards, as they add to the 
creepage problem). A 4x4/16 cell PCB was standard, but other 
configurations were possible.


After the basic system was designed by the group, and Dimitri had a 
few runs of v.1 and then v.2 boards printed and stuffed, he decided 
that the project was no longer open source, and took it private, much 
to the dissatisfaction of the other participants. It wasn't a lot 
after that the he sold the intellectual property rights and name to 
EVPower, who further refined the design and packaging.


I agree that we have a chance to reintroduce a good portion of these 
available cell modules to the EV community for those who are 
interested. How shall we procede?


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Re: [EVDL] Minibms?

[Willie via EV]

On 4/27/20 3:13 PM, Mr. Sharkey via EV wrote:
I sense a beautiful online relationship in the making here. 
Unfortunately, I'm using the Nabble web archive to read messages, which 
means I can't see your contact information (or even your name, since 
Nabble bollixed up the interface a few years ago).


Here's a little email address puzzle to confound the spambots, I'm sure 
that ordinary humans are clever enough to figure it out:


Mary
Romeo


I knew MrSharkey's address and thought I was making a private reply. 
However...


This should go to MrSharkey via Bcc:  Along with my address.

I was buying the EVPower modules long before the miniBMS modules were 
offered.  So, to the the best of my knowledge, EVPower long preceded 
miniBMS.  I felt a little guilt about switching to miniBMS but it was 
hard to get what was needed from EVPower.  In retrospect, a mistake. 
The miniBMS have proven to be very troublesome.  At least when exposed 
to the conditions my batteries were exposed to.


My current guesstimate is around 150 miniBMS and maybe up to 50 EVPower. 
 I think a large fraction of each work.  The miniBMS are a mixture of 
old (which will eventually completely drain a cell) and newer ones (with 
blinking lights that are supposed to tell you which have gone out of 
bounds and are supposed to quit drawing current at around 2v).

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Re: [EVDL] Minibms?

[Lawrence Winiarski via EV]

Hi Willie.   I think we are serious about those boards.   

How do we pay you?   Are they still in working order?   

 

On Monday, April 27, 2020, 12:52:49 PM PDT, Willie via EV 
 wrote:  
 
 

On 4/27/20 2:25 PM, Mr. Sharkey via EV wrote:

> I'd be glad to relate any info that helps you get these working, or if 
> you decide not to repair them, I'd be interesting in purchasing the dead 
> ones as possible spares for my EV. I have schematics for the cell and 
> head boards, etc.

Send me your shipping address and I will send you a bunch.  Maybe around 
200.  You may then decide if they are worth anything.

Do you want any Australian "EVPower" cell modules?  They were MUCH more 
reliable but apparently no longer available.  Nicely potted up. They 
have flat copper cell connections rather than "fly wires".

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Re: [EVDL] Minibms?

[Lawrence Winiarski via EV]

I'd love to get some.   I have a use for 20 cell boards and perhaps a head 
board.lawrence_winiarski    at  yankee alpha hotel oscar oscar dot charlie 
oscar mike


On Monday, April 27, 2020, 1:16:51 PM PDT, Mr. Sharkey via EV 
 wrote:  
 
 I sense a beautiful online relationship in the making here. 
Unfortunately, I'm using the Nabble web archive to read messages, 
which means I can't see your contact information (or even your name, 
since Nabble bollixed up the interface a few years ago).

Here's a little email address puzzle to confound the spambots, I'm 
sure that ordinary humans are clever enough to figure it out:

Mary
Romeo
Seirra
Hotel
Alpha
Romeo
Kilo
Echo
Yankee
@ (at)
Juliet
Uniform
November
Oscar
. (dot)
Charlie
Oscar
Mary

If these boards hold any promise for continued use, perhaps repairing 
them would make a good social distancing cottage industry for the 
duration of the pandemic. Distributing the operational boards back to 
the EV community for a modest cost would be my only payback aside 
from the security of having some spares on hand (I lose a cell board 
once or twice a year, and having something on the shelf to bolt-on 
instead of inheriting an instant repair project would be mighty nice).

The Australian modules were the result of Dimitri selling off his 
business "Clean Power Auto" and all the IP to the MiniBMS product. 
The new owners recognized some of the shortcomings, and made 
corrections, the most significant of which was potting the cell 
modules in epoxy to eliminate the voltage creep and corrosion 
problems. Repairable? No idea, would need to hack into a few and see 
what's left over.

Oh, and to the original poster, I can direct you to a schematic of my 
simple test jig, which can help diagnose and proof cell modules, very 
helpful if you have even a couple to check out.

 > Send me your shipping address and I will send you a bunch.  Maybe around
 > 200.  You may then decide if they are worth anything.

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Re: [EVDL] Minibms?

[Mr. Sharkey via EV]

I sense a beautiful online relationship in the making here. 
Unfortunately, I'm using the Nabble web archive to read messages, 
which means I can't see your contact information (or even your name, 
since Nabble bollixed up the interface a few years ago).


Here's a little email address puzzle to confound the spambots, I'm 
sure that ordinary humans are clever enough to figure it out:


Mary
Romeo
Seirra
Hotel
Alpha
Romeo
Kilo
Echo
Yankee
@ (at)
Juliet
Uniform
November
Oscar
. (dot)
Charlie
Oscar
Mary

If these boards hold any promise for continued use, perhaps repairing 
them would make a good social distancing cottage industry for the 
duration of the pandemic. Distributing the operational boards back to 
the EV community for a modest cost would be my only payback aside 
from the security of having some spares on hand (I lose a cell board 
once or twice a year, and having something on the shelf to bolt-on 
instead of inheriting an instant repair project would be mighty nice).


The Australian modules were the result of Dimitri selling off his 
business "Clean Power Auto" and all the IP to the MiniBMS product. 
The new owners recognized some of the shortcomings, and made 
corrections, the most significant of which was potting the cell 
modules in epoxy to eliminate the voltage creep and corrosion 
problems. Repairable? No idea, would need to hack into a few and see 
what's left over.


Oh, and to the original poster, I can direct you to a schematic of my 
simple test jig, which can help diagnose and proof cell modules, very 
helpful if you have even a couple to check out.


> Send me your shipping address and I will send you a bunch.  Maybe around
> 200.  You may then decide if they are worth anything.

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 2025 subaru, tmc Evoltis> cyber-wackadoodle/paraquat-dream design

[Peter VanDerWal via EV]

I don't know, looks like something out of a science fiction movie. I kind of 
like it.

I certainly think it looks better than the Cyber truck.  However, after reading 
up on it, I now understand why the cyber truck looks the way it does and I kind 
of like the idea of a thick stainless steel body that will probably outlive me. 
 I recently put down a deposit on one, of course that means my reservation will 
probably come up in about 5 years :-(



April 27, 2020 12:22 AM, "EVDL Administrator via EV"  wrote:

> Styling of any object is a matter of personal taste, and I won't try to 
> claim mine is any more valid than anyone else's, but all I can say is ... 
> wow. That would definitely have to be an acquired taste. The place you'd 
> have to acquire it would be Hell. 
> 
> I'm not surprised that Toyota had a hand, or maybe some other appendage, in 
> this. Harley Earl was the GM stylist responsible for the 1959 Cadillac's 
> spectacular tail fins. AFAIC, if Earl were alive today, the current Toyota 
> Prius and this EV are what he'd draw up the morning after a binge.
> 
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Bolt vs Kona EV Comparison Test

[Peter VanDerWal via EV]

> https://geekdad.com/2020/04/chevy-bolt-2020-tech-10-things
> 10 Things to Know About the 2020 Chevy Bolt EV
> April 7, 2020 ... Bolt EV 2020 batteries are certified for 259 miles on one
> charge but factors that can affect the range ...
> https://youtu.be/YUVvBxe9kjU
> 

Going to disagree with Geekdad about a couple things.
1) You don't need to buy (another) portable charging cord for trips, as far as 
I know EVERY EV sold comes with a portable charge cord, both my Bolt and my 
Volt came with one.  Besides that, if you're traveling you're probably going to 
be using Lvl-2 chargers anyway.  It takes over 2 days to fully charge a Bolt 
using the portable EVSE.

2) Driver Confidence II package seems like a waste of money to me.  If it had 
adaptive cruise control (technology that's only been available for 3 decades) 
I'd probably think differently.  But "low speed collision avoidance"?  Meh.

The 'Lane Keep Assist" is better than many car's I've driven, but it's not 
autopilot. If you take your hands off the wheel, it doesn't try to keep you in 
the center of the lane, but rather waits until you are almost out of the lane 
and then turns you back, but it tends to over correct, which sends it to the 
other side of the lane, where it repeats and over corrects even more and you 
start bouncing back and forth between sides of the lane.
I've driven other vehicles that do a better job, but so far all of them will 
kick out of lane keeping mode after a minute of hands free driving.

The "Side Blind Zone Alert" is almost useless.  The bolt has a wonderful view 
with almost zero obstructions.  It has basically zero blind spot.  Just before 
a passing car disappears from the mirror view I can see it out of the corner of 
my eye. So a light on the mirror, that comes on to indicate that there is a car 
that you can see in the mirror, is kind of pointless.

I do like the rear cross traffic alert and the automatic high beams, I'm just 
not sure they are worth the $1500 extra.

3) Geekdad must be huge.  I'm 6'2" and 240lbs and I feel like there is plenty 
of room in the drivers seat, and even a decent amount of room in the back seat. 
 This is one of the roomiest vehicles I've been in in a long time.


Personally I don't see any value in the built in 4G hotspot.  It costs $20 a 
month and only works when the vehicle is on.  I don't usually surf the web 
while I'm driving, and as far as your passengers are concerned, how many people 
don't have internet access on their phones these days?  Probably already have a 
free hotspot on their phone as well.

Overall I like the Bolt, but it does have a few issues.  Keypass is a train 
wreck, while on-star remote status is 1/2 a train wreck.  About 1/2 the time 
when I'm away on business and check to see if the Bolt is charging properly I 
get a message "Can not connect to vehicle, please drive the vehicle and try 
again."  WTF?  If I was close enough to drive the vehicle why would I be trying 
to check the charge status remotely?
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Re: [EVDL] Minibms?

[Willie via EV]

On 4/27/20 2:25 PM, Mr. Sharkey via EV wrote:

I'd be glad to relate any info that helps you get these working, or if 
you decide not to repair them, I'd be interesting in purchasing the dead 
ones as possible spares for my EV. I have schematics for the cell and 
head boards, etc.


Send me your shipping address and I will send you a bunch.  Maybe around 
200.  You may then decide if they are worth anything.


Do you want any Australian "EVPower" cell modules?  They were MUCH more 
reliable but apparently no longer available.  Nicely potted up. They 
have flat copper cell connections rather than "fly wires".


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Re: [EVDL] Minibms?

[Lawrence Winiarski via EV]

Funny.    That's exactly what went wrong.    I have a few optorelays in my ebay 
cart as we speak.
Yes, I'll repair,  extend the same offer to you if you get decide to get rid of 
yours. :-)
I've got the old schematic for v.2 which seems to be about right.   Don't know 
anything about v3 or what the differences are.
I've never done anything with surface mount, but I thought perhaps this might 
be a good project to do something useful and learn on.


On Monday, April 27, 2020, 12:26:37 PM PDT, Mr. Sharkey via EV 
 wrote:  
 
 Depending on the version (and condition) of the boards, they are 
repairable. The most common failure is of the optical relay that 
isolates the cell module from the controller head. It's not a 
particularly expensive part, and although it's surface mount (SMD), 
it has only four leads, and can be replaced using common soldering tools.

I had to rebuild nine of the v.2 Mini BMS boards that I purchased 
with the used Thundersky cells that are in my car now. There were a 
variety of failures, many of which were caused by corrosion and 
creepage between the cell/pack potential and automotive 12 volt 
battery connections. Some through cleaning, PCB trace repairs and 
half a dozen of the optical relays all is operational again. I built 
a test jig to proof each board and gather LVD, HVD, balancing voltage 
and current, etc.

I'd be glad to relate any info that helps you get these working, or 
if you decide not to repair them, I'd be interesting in purchasing 
the dead ones as possible spares for my EV. I have schematics for the 
cell and head boards, etc.

Version 3 boards use an ATTiny microprocessor (AVR), and might be 
repairable, but if the processor needs replacement, that's going to 
be a sticking point without the source code for the chipset.



 > Hi.  I had a few minibms boards quit working and I was wondering if
 > anyone had made a dropin alternative or had some that they might
 > want to sell.

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Re: [EVDL] Minibms?

[Mr. Sharkey via EV]

Depending on the version (and condition) of the boards, they are 
repairable. The most common failure is of the optical relay that 
isolates the cell module from the controller head. It's not a 
particularly expensive part, and although it's surface mount (SMD), 
it has only four leads, and can be replaced using common soldering tools.


I had to rebuild nine of the v.2 Mini BMS boards that I purchased 
with the used Thundersky cells that are in my car now. There were a 
variety of failures, many of which were caused by corrosion and 
creepage between the cell/pack potential and automotive 12 volt 
battery connections. Some through cleaning, PCB trace repairs and 
half a dozen of the optical relays all is operational again. I built 
a test jig to proof each board and gather LVD, HVD, balancing voltage 
and current, etc.


I'd be glad to relate any info that helps you get these working, or 
if you decide not to repair them, I'd be interesting in purchasing 
the dead ones as possible spares for my EV. I have schematics for the 
cell and head boards, etc.


Version 3 boards use an ATTiny microprocessor (AVR), and might be 
repairable, but if the processor needs replacement, that's going to 
be a sticking point without the source code for the chipset.




> Hi.   I had a few minibms boards quit working and I was wondering if
> anyone had made a dropin alternative or had some that they might
> want to sell.

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[EVDL] Minibms?

[Lawrence Winiarski via EV]

Hi.   I had a few minibms boards quit working and I was wondering if anyone had 
made a dropin alternative or had some that they might want to sell.


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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 2025 subaru, tmc Evoltis> cyber-wackadoodle/paraquat-dream design

[Peri Hartman via EV]

My focus is on the practical side. Yet, I wonder what automotive styling 
will evolve to.


It's hard not to notice that the large front grill isn't needed any 
more. What will the designers do when they realize they can do something 
entirely different with that space ? What about the rest of the car ? 
Components can be put pretty much anywhere, meaning the whole overall 
design could change radically.


To put this in perspective, I'm thinking of the transformation from 
horse drawn coaches to the more-or-less modern automotive style starting 
in the '30s. At first, the cabin looked a lot like the old fashioned 
coach. The motor stuck on the front, the coach itself barely changed 
from the prior version. Slowly the design became more integrated and the 
huge fenders disappeared, etc.


With EVs, what will we see next ?

Peri

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Cc: "EVDL Administrator" 
Sent: 27-Apr-20 12:22:53 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 2025 subaru, tmc Evoltis> 
cyber-wackadoodle/paraquat-dream design



Styling of any object is a matter of personal taste, and I won't try to
claim mine is any more valid than anyone else's, but all I can say is ...
wow.  That would definitely have to be an acquired taste.  The place you'd
have to acquire it would be Hell.

I'm not surprised that Toyota had a hand, or maybe some other appendage,  in
this.  Harley Earl was the GM stylist responsible for the 1959 Cadillac's
spectacular tail fins.  AFAIC, if Earl were alive today, the current Toyota
Prius and this EV are what he'd draw up the morning after a binge.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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[EVDL] Tesla asked Fremont-CA workers 2return2 resume production early

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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/26/tesla-asks-employees-to-resume-production-before-health-orders-end.html
Tesla asks employees to resume production at Fremont car plant despite
coronavirus health orders
Apr 26 2020 ... Tesla managers asked dozens of employees to return to work
on April 29th to resume production at the company’s Fremont, California car
plant ... Local health orders limit Tesla to “minimum basic operations”
until end-of-day May 3 at least, according to Sgt. Ray Kelly, a public
information officer with Alameda County Sheriff’s Office ...
https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/103765280-GettyImages-534236106-1.jpg


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https://www.sullcrom.com/files/upload/SC-Publication-COVID-19-Response-Return-to-Work-Considerations-for-Employers.pdf
COVID-19 Response—Return-to-Work Considerations for ...
Apr 24 2020 - prepare their workplace and workforce for a return to work.
... the number of employees allowed in the elevators or bathrooms at any
given time ...
...
https://www.google.com/search?q=some+allowed+covid+return+to+work




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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 2025 subaru, tmc Evoltis> cyber-wackadoodle/paraquat-dream design

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Styling of any object is a matter of personal taste, and I won't try to 
claim mine is any more valid than anyone else's, but all I can say is ... 
wow.  That would definitely have to be an acquired taste.  The place you'd 
have to acquire it would be Hell.  

I'm not surprised that Toyota had a hand, or maybe some other appendage,  in 
this.  Harley Earl was the GM stylist responsible for the 1959 Cadillac's 
spectacular tail fins.  AFAIC, if Earl were alive today, the current Toyota 
Prius and this EV are what he'd draw up the morning after a binge.

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[EVDL] EVLN: 2025 subaru, tmc Evoltis> cyber-wackadoodle/paraquat-dream design

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%Both evdl.org archives show post went through OK. Perhaps Brent's
email host or evdl feed added the second incorrect link, as I noticed 
subject had been changed on Brent's post. Below is the original text 
from my local EVLN file archive%


https://www.mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/msg29722.html
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/2025-subaru-tmc-Evoltis-cyber-wackadoodle-paraquat-dream-design-tp4697128.html
EVLN: 2025 subaru,tmc Evoltis> cyber-wackadoodle/paraquat-dream design

https://electrek.co/2020/04/20/all-electric-subaru-evoltis-with-oddball-design-to-be-unveiled-in-2021/
All-electric Subaru Evoltis, with oddball design, to be unveiled in 2021
Apr. 20th 2020 ... Subaru showed ... a pure-electric crossover to be
developed with Toyota ... production in 2025 ... EV will be about the size
of a Subaru Crosstrek ... looks like an appliance from a low-budget sci-fi
movie ...
https://i1.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/04/evoltis-3.jpg
...
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22paraquat%22+pot+dreams
...
https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*9Ws3iHKgVtim82zjaV8MuA.jpeg


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https://cleantechnica.com/2020/04/20/skydrive-completes-first-manned-flying-car-test-in-japan/
SkyDrive Completes First Manned Flying Car Test In Japan
April 20th, 2020 ... month when the Japanese eVTOL company, SkyDrive,
completed the country's first manned flight of an electric vertical take-off
and landing vehicle (eVTOL).
https://cleantechnica.com/files/2020/04/worlds-smallest-flying-car-from-skydrive-has-started-manned-testing-in-japan_8.jpg




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