Absolutely hate traffic circles...
They work fine if there is very low traffic, but if there is lots of traffic,
they are horrible...
Jim Walls
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That is fascinating.
I hate most traffic circles, and think them dangerous. But if the data is
showing otherwise…
BTW, sign location is usually based on an engineering study, and there are
federal standards that states must be mostly compliant with - then again, some
prefer to make stuff up
No, not to generate traffic tickets. There are safety standards, based on
traffic volume, accidents, etc, that determine where they go.
- Mark
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> On Feb 1, 2022, at 3:48 PM, Bill Dube via EV wrote:
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> Tesla should treat a stop sign according to the
Incidentally, in Seattle, most residential streets don't have stop
signs.
"Crash data show there are far more accidents at intersections in
Seattle with stop signs than without. ... Which brings us to traffic
circles, an approach that reduces collisions by 97 percent." from
I could create a model to reproduce the sound…
- Mark
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> On Feb 1, 2022, at 1:51 PM, Mark Grasser via EV wrote:
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> But if you read how It works, it only does the rolling stop if no other cars
> are at the intersection. So the question is this. If no one
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Tesla should treat a stop sign according to the law. However, the
computer is acting logically according to the actual situation. I would
suspect that there logically should be a yield sign instead of the stop
sign.
In most civilized parts of the world, stop signs are _extremely_ scarce.
Ok, my opinion. I think one should look at the intent of the law
requiring a full stop at a stop sign. From what I learned, that is to
allow getting a full view of the intersection before proceeding. If you
don't come to a full stop, you might not notice a pedestrian starting to
cross. Or, if
But if you read how It works, it only does the rolling stop if no other cars
are at the intersection. So the question is this. If no one is in the forest
and a tree falls, does it make a sound?
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On 1 Feb 2022 at 17:36, paul dove via EV wrote:
> Dangerous trend to me. Why should your car make you follow the law?
Would you really want your car to cause you to BREAK the law? Because
that's what Tesla's rolling stop is doing.
This "feature" hardly surprising from Elon Musk, who's
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On Tue Feb 01 08:08:46 PST 2022 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>Tesla recall: ?Full Self-Driving? software runs stop signs
>https://www.seattletimes.com/business/tesla-recall-full-self-driving-software-runs-stop-signs/
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>Tesla is recalling nearly 54,000 cars and SUVs because their ?Full
>Self-Driving?
Waymo also allows programs their vehicles to do an "alternating cross"
4-way stop pattern which is commonly used in practice, but not
technically legal.
(Where pairs of vehicles will cross a 4 way stop in perpendicular
directions, regardless of the exact order of arrival). [As well as
Tesla recall: ‘Full Self-Driving’ software runs stop signs
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/tesla-recall-full-self-driving-software-runs-stop-signs/
Tesla is recalling nearly 54,000 cars and SUVs because their “Full
Self-Driving” software lets them roll through stop signs without coming
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