Re: [EVDL] Does anyone really think Tesla can last?

[paul dove via EV]

Did you realize that you can set the sensitivity of the model 3 Autopilot?

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> On May 23, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Peter Eckhoff via EV  wrote:
> 
> I'll bite.
> 
> I own both a Bolt and a Model 3.  I prefer to drive the Bolt over the
> Model 3 when it comes to "safety".  I prefer to drive the Model 3 when
> it comes to long distance driving.
> 
> I think the Bolt's sensor systems are superior to the Model 3's
> especially to the rear and blind spot areas.  My Bolt tends to warn me
> sooner of vehicles entering my blind spot area.  Backing out of a view
> blocked parking space, my Bolt is conservative in detection.  I love
> the rear view mirror camera.  The sensor systems basically inform me
> and let me decide what to do.
> 
> My Model 3's software (Autopiliot) tries to be a superior "me" but I
> think it fails in that it activates when it does not need to and I
> have experienced "phantom" braking.  Blind spot vehicles appear on the
> console just as they are off my rear fender.  All this makes me feel
> uneasy.  I limit my use of Autopilot and hope they eventually adopt
> the GM approach or have it as a setting such Autopilot Lite.  I think
> sales will take off then.
> 
> The Supercharger network and fast recharge are what are needed to spur
> adoption.  I've used the Supercharger network and love it!!  I don't
> have to take out any cards to recharge.  I open the recharge port and
> attach the Supercharger cable and it automatically starts to recharge.
> It tells me how long it's going to take and at what rate it is
> recharging.  The stations are plentiful and cover nearing all of the
> USA to the point of being within 100 to 150 miles of a station in
> almost all areas of the country.
> 
> The Bolt takes about 4 hours (based on screen from a Chevy dealer's
> Level 3 charger) to top off its 60 kwhr pack while the Model 3's is
> much faster.
> 
> I understand that Tesla is building a network across North Dakota and
> southern Canada.  This leaves just a few areas without a Supercharge
> station accessible within 150 mile such as SW Kansas, SE Oregon, and a
> few other places.  In those cases, Tesla has an adapter package where
> you can plug into a 240 volt outlet at an RV campground and recharge
> at 25 miles per hour.  If I plan to go cross country, I'll be doing it
> in a Model 3.
> 
> I will worry about the longevity of Tesla when:
> 1)  one of the established car companies comes out with their own
> Supercharger network and has similar recharge times.
> 2)  their "software over the air" update system gets hacked and there
> is no recourse.
> 3)  Supercharger sites, which are leased, are not renewed by the
> land/business owner. (Warsaw NC Supercharge site - hotel thought it
> would increase their business.  It didn't.  However, Tesla established
> another one not too far away.)
> 5)  Autopilot continues to be quirky while other companies develop
> systems/sensor packages that work with the driver to increase his or
> her safety (and that of others).
> 
> If the stock price of Tesla should fall, I suspect one of the auto
> companies will buy them out.  There's a lot of good tech there and the
> Model 3 is a wonderful and fun car to drive.  Slap on their company
> badge and take advantage of not having to develop their own version.
> 
> Bottom line: I don't see Tesla vanishing into oblivion.  Replacement
> parts may become from third party companies or refurbishers.
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Re: [EVDL] Does anyone really think Tesla can last?

[Jorg Brown via EV]

GM is still around
Chrysler is still around (albeit as part of Fiat)
Tesla lost $5.79 per share over the last four quarters, or about a billion
dollars.
Uber and Lyft are each still around despite the fact that they each also
lose about a billion dollars per year.

Honestly I have a hard time comprehending what could be so bad that it
could take Tesla down.  Their single biggest asset isn't the gigafactories
or the supercharger network; it's the Tesla brand, which is extremely
strong.

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In any case, there was a much stronger case against Tesla in 2008.  Their
only car, the Roadster, had been delayed for more than a year, and Tesla
was trying to sell 2-seater electric vehicles at a cost of $100,000 each at
the same time the "Great Recession" was hitting.  This was before they had
a supercharger network; heck it was before they had cars that could
supercharge.  Most of their funding came from one guy: Elon Musk, and he
was going broke in part because he was also trying to start a rocket
company which was competing, not with other companies, but with other
*nations*.

Many, many people who were looking into the details of all this were
thinking amongst themselves, wow, this is going to be one of the most
spectacular failures ever.  *But damn, this is a really fun car to drive*.

I was one of those people.  I look at Tesla and I wonder, how the hell can
this possibly turn out well?  After 10 years, I still won't bet on Tesla as
a company... but I sure as hell don't bet against them. I just mentally put
Tesla in a class of companies where the rules, for whatever reason, don't
apply.   It's like seeing an Anvil outside of my third-floor window, just
floating there.  I know it should fall, but it's been 10 years and it
hasn't.  Unlike a floating Anvil, the case for Tesla's survival is much
better now than it was 10 or even 5 years ago.

There are other companies where revenues are going up but profits are not,
and maybe they give a better feel for what the hell is going in with
Tesla:
https://www.ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2014/9/4/why-amazon-has-no-profits-and-why-it-works
(Note that article is from 2014, when Amazon, then 20 years old, still
hand't turned a decent profit.)

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On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 8:26 AM Damon Henry via EV 
wrote:

> I'm a big Tesla fan and they have been mentioned in a couple of the recent
> ongoing threads quite a bit.  Personally I do not see how they can last.  I
> will be surprised if they are still in business in 5 years.  Their business
> model seems to be try to build enough hype to keep drawing in investors and
> don't worry about the fact that we are losing hundreds of millions of
> dollars a quarter year after year.  The Model 3 bump gave them a couple of
> quarters of profits and now they are right back where they started and
> likely worse.
>
> I wonder what happens to the software updates and supercharger network
> when they are gone...
>
> They have sold a lot of really great cars and forever changed the
> automotive marketplace.  I just don't see how they can last as a company.
>
> If they do fail, there will surely be Tesla DIY internet resources that
> dwarf anything the EVDL has ever been 
>
> Damon
>
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Re: [EVDL] Does anyone really think Tesla can last?

[Damon Henry via EV]

I'm not really talking about Koch brother type media attacks, I'm talking 
specifically about finances.  I just don't know how long they can keep losing 
$7000 a minute before investors pull out and the whole house of cards come 
tumbling down.  I hope it does not happen.  I'm also not sure how long they can 
sell their luxury cars before everyone that wants one has one.  Even the Model 
3 is a non-starter for many car buyers.  The $35,000 version came and went in 
the blink of an eye.

I know they are modeled after tech companies and that the idea is to burn 
through the investors cash until you are big enough to sustain profits, but I 
cannot see any sustainable profits in their future.  They do have the burning 
through cash part down...

I hope I am wrong as I feel like Tesla is the company that allowed EVDL members 
to finally quit building their own contraptions just to commute in short range 
homebrew EVs.  I still have two of these in my stable.  I hope they reap the 
benefits of being the pioneers and game changers that they have been.

I just don't think that is a very likely outcome.

Damon

From: EV  on behalf of paul dove via EV 

Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 11:29 AM
To: EVDL Administrator via EV
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Does anyone really think Tesla can last?

He already did that when he decided not to use dealerships. The rest is just 
hypestories about Tesla sell especially if they are negative. Trump tweets 
stupid stuff and derogatory remarks on a daily basis.


On Thursday, May 23, 2019, 1:23:22 PM CDT, EVDL Administrator via EV 
 wrote:

 I doubt that I'll ever buy a Tesla, for my own personal reasons, but I have
a huge amount of respect for Elon Musk, Tesla, Tesla's vehicles, and what
they've done to advance the EV cause.

But today Elon Musk is both Tesla's biggest strength and their biggest
liability.  If they fail, there's a very good chance that it'll be on his
head.  Musk keeps doing crazy, reckless, childish stuff.  Most of all, he
can't keep his mouth shut when he needs to.  And, to put it bluntly, he's a
world class jerk.

Musk is a genius, no question about that, but some of the very same
personality quirks he has that have dramatically advanced the EV cause and
made Tesla a success are now threatening to destroy his company and maybe
even harm EVs in general.

Musk should be kept as a creative force in Tesla, NOT pushed out the way
Apple did with Steve Jobs in 1985.  However, they can't let him continue to
be the company's public face.  They need a way to settle him down a little
and get him out of public view.  They can't continue to let him throw epic
tantrums and make ugly, bloody messes.  One of these days he's going to make
a mess that's impossible to clean up, or infuriate someone with real power,
and that will be the beginning of the end for Tesla.

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Re: [EVDL] Does anyone really think Tesla can last?

[Peter Eckhoff via EV]

I'll bite.

I own both a Bolt and a Model 3.  I prefer to drive the Bolt over the
Model 3 when it comes to "safety".  I prefer to drive the Model 3 when
it comes to long distance driving.

I think the Bolt's sensor systems are superior to the Model 3's
especially to the rear and blind spot areas.  My Bolt tends to warn me
sooner of vehicles entering my blind spot area.  Backing out of a view
blocked parking space, my Bolt is conservative in detection.  I love
the rear view mirror camera.  The sensor systems basically inform me
and let me decide what to do.

My Model 3's software (Autopiliot) tries to be a superior "me" but I
think it fails in that it activates when it does not need to and I
have experienced "phantom" braking.  Blind spot vehicles appear on the
console just as they are off my rear fender.  All this makes me feel
uneasy.  I limit my use of Autopilot and hope they eventually adopt
the GM approach or have it as a setting such Autopilot Lite.  I think
sales will take off then.

The Supercharger network and fast recharge are what are needed to spur
adoption.  I've used the Supercharger network and love it!!  I don't
have to take out any cards to recharge.  I open the recharge port and
attach the Supercharger cable and it automatically starts to recharge.
It tells me how long it's going to take and at what rate it is
recharging.  The stations are plentiful and cover nearing all of the
USA to the point of being within 100 to 150 miles of a station in
almost all areas of the country.

The Bolt takes about 4 hours (based on screen from a Chevy dealer's
Level 3 charger) to top off its 60 kwhr pack while the Model 3's is
much faster.

I understand that Tesla is building a network across North Dakota and
southern Canada.  This leaves just a few areas without a Supercharge
station accessible within 150 mile such as SW Kansas, SE Oregon, and a
few other places.  In those cases, Tesla has an adapter package where
you can plug into a 240 volt outlet at an RV campground and recharge
at 25 miles per hour.  If I plan to go cross country, I'll be doing it
in a Model 3.

I will worry about the longevity of Tesla when:
1)  one of the established car companies comes out with their own
Supercharger network and has similar recharge times.
2)  their "software over the air" update system gets hacked and there
is no recourse.
3)  Supercharger sites, which are leased, are not renewed by the
land/business owner. (Warsaw NC Supercharge site - hotel thought it
would increase their business.  It didn't.  However, Tesla established
another one not too far away.)
5)  Autopilot continues to be quirky while other companies develop
systems/sensor packages that work with the driver to increase his or
her safety (and that of others).

If the stock price of Tesla should fall, I suspect one of the auto
companies will buy them out.  There's a lot of good tech there and the
Model 3 is a wonderful and fun car to drive.  Slap on their company
badge and take advantage of not having to develop their own version.

Bottom line: I don't see Tesla vanishing into oblivion.  Replacement
parts may become from third party companies or refurbishers.
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Re: [EVDL] Does anyone really think Tesla can last?

[paul dove via EV]

He already did that when he decided not to use dealerships. The rest is just 
hypestories about Tesla sell especially if they are negative. Trump tweets 
stupid stuff and derogatory remarks on a daily basis.
 

On Thursday, May 23, 2019, 1:23:22 PM CDT, EVDL Administrator via EV 
 wrote:  
 
 I doubt that I'll ever buy a Tesla, for my own personal reasons, but I have 
a huge amount of respect for Elon Musk, Tesla, Tesla's vehicles, and what 
they've done to advance the EV cause.

But today Elon Musk is both Tesla's biggest strength and their biggest 
liability.  If they fail, there's a very good chance that it'll be on his 
head.  Musk keeps doing crazy, reckless, childish stuff.  Most of all, he 
can't keep his mouth shut when he needs to.  And, to put it bluntly, he's a 
world class jerk.  

Musk is a genius, no question about that, but some of the very same 
personality quirks he has that have dramatically advanced the EV cause and 
made Tesla a success are now threatening to destroy his company and maybe 
even harm EVs in general.  

Musk should be kept as a creative force in Tesla, NOT pushed out the way 
Apple did with Steve Jobs in 1985.  However, they can't let him continue to 
be the company's public face.  They need a way to settle him down a little 
and get him out of public view.  They can't continue to let him throw epic  
tantrums and make ugly, bloody messes.  One of these days he's going to make 
a mess that's impossible to clean up, or infuriate someone with real power, 
and that will be the beginning of the end for Tesla.

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Re: [EVDL] Does anyone really think Tesla can last?

[Lee Hart via EV]

EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:

I have a huge amount of respect for Elon Musk, Tesla, Tesla's vehicles, and
what they've done to advance the EV cause... But Elon Musk is both Tesla's
biggest strength and their biggest liability...  Musk should be kept as a
creative force in Tesla, NOT pushed out the way Apple did with Steve Jobs
in 1985.


Well said, David! I couldn't agree more.

Tesla's cars are wonderful. That's what convinces the public to buy 
them! Tesla is almost single-handedly swinging the world from ICEs to EVs.


But Wall Street doesn't care if the product is any good. They just want 
it to make MONEY! And Tesla isn't making money. Musk is a creative 
genius; but he's no engineer, and no businessman. That worries Wall 
Street, and attracts vultures in the government and other auto 
companies. It's a weakness they can, and *will* exploit.


Jobs had Wozniak at Apple; as a team, they made it happen. Nikola Tesla 
had George Westinghouse; again, they needed each other to succeed.


Elon Musk needs to find geniuses with the engineering and business 
talents needed for Tesla to succeed. Then take Lee Iacocca's advice for 
getting things done: "I hire people brighter than me, then I get out of 
their way."


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Re: [EVDL] Does anyone really think Tesla can last?

[jim--- via EV]

AMEN to that!  Very well said.  Except that I would love to buy a Tesla, but 
not in the budget.


Jim Walls



-Original Message-
From: EVDL Administrator

I doubt that I'll ever buy a Tesla, for my own personal reasons, but I have 
a huge amount of respect for Elon Musk, Tesla, Tesla's vehicles, and what 
they've done to advance the EV cause.

But today Elon Musk is both Tesla's biggest strength and their biggest 
liability.  If they fail, there's a very good chance that it'll be on his 
head.  Musk keeps doing crazy, reckless, childish stuff.  Most of all, he 
can't keep his mouth shut when he needs to.  And, to put it bluntly, he's a 
world class jerk.  

Musk is a genius, no question about that, but some of the very same 
personality quirks he has that have dramatically advanced the EV cause and 
made Tesla a success are now threatening to destroy his company and maybe 
even harm EVs in general.   

Musk should be kept as a creative force in Tesla, NOT pushed out the way 
Apple did with Steve Jobs in 1985.  However, they can't let him continue to 
be the company's public face.  They need a way to settle him down a little 
and get him out of public view.  They can't continue to let him throw epic  
tantrums and make ugly, bloody messes.  One of these days he's going to make 
a mess that's impossible to clean up, or infuriate someone with real power, 
and that will be the beginning of the end for Tesla.

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Re: [EVDL] Does anyone really think Tesla can last?

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I doubt that I'll ever buy a Tesla, for my own personal reasons, but I have 
a huge amount of respect for Elon Musk, Tesla, Tesla's vehicles, and what 
they've done to advance the EV cause.

But today Elon Musk is both Tesla's biggest strength and their biggest 
liability.  If they fail, there's a very good chance that it'll be on his 
head.  Musk keeps doing crazy, reckless, childish stuff.  Most of all, he 
can't keep his mouth shut when he needs to.  And, to put it bluntly, he's a 
world class jerk.  

Musk is a genius, no question about that, but some of the very same 
personality quirks he has that have dramatically advanced the EV cause and 
made Tesla a success are now threatening to destroy his company and maybe 
even harm EVs in general.   

Musk should be kept as a creative force in Tesla, NOT pushed out the way 
Apple did with Steve Jobs in 1985.  However, they can't let him continue to 
be the company's public face.  They need a way to settle him down a little 
and get him out of public view.  They can't continue to let him throw epic  
tantrums and make ugly, bloody messes.  One of these days he's going to make 
a mess that's impossible to clean up, or infuriate someone with real power, 
and that will be the beginning of the end for Tesla.

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Re: [EVDL] Does anyone really think Tesla can last?

[paul dove via EV]

Yes, I believe they will last. Of course, they have a lot of people trying to 
cause them to fail. It is sort of mind blowing but anyone watching can see that 
most articles about them are negative. Big brokerage houses can cause panic in 
the market which is exactly what they have done. They just paid off a 920 
million dollar bond. They make the best car in any class on the market. They 
currently have 37% share of the luxury car market. 

Someone wants them gone... they have been investigated by the FBI and harassed 
by the SEC. it's starting to get worse I think. But it's not just Tesla... 
they attack Space X, Solar City, GigaFactory and the Boring company.
 

On Thursday, May 23, 2019, 10:26:00 AM CDT, Damon Henry via EV 
 wrote:  
 
 I'm a big Tesla fan and they have been mentioned in a couple of the recent 
ongoing threads quite a bit.  Personally I do not see how they can last.  I 
will be surprised if they are still in business in 5 years.  Their business 
model seems to be try to build enough hype to keep drawing in investors and 
don't worry about the fact that we are losing hundreds of millions of dollars a 
quarter year after year.  The Model 3 bump gave them a couple of quarters of 
profits and now they are right back where they started and likely worse.

I wonder what happens to the software updates and supercharger network when 
they are gone...

They have sold a lot of really great cars and forever changed the automotive 
marketplace.  I just don't see how they can last as a company.

If they do fail, there will surely be Tesla DIY internet resources that dwarf 
anything the EVDL has ever been 

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Re: [EVDL] Does anyone really think Tesla can last?

[Willie via EV]

On 5/23/19 12:14 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:

I hope it doesn't happen.  Tesla has done a lot to push the entire industry
forward.  Losing that competition could really slow down EV development.


IMHO, TSLA is experiencing yet another round of FUD.

Two examples:
Consumer's Reports has been reported as being dissatisfied with 
AutoPilot.  Recent report is that CU is unhappy with the performance 
under a single setting of Navigate on AutoPilot.  And is positive on 
AutoPilot in general.
Widely reported is the view that Tesla has hit the wall on Model 3 
demand.  Recent report is that 2nd quarter is likely to be a record breaker.


The FUD has been with us since Tesla's beginnings.  Does anyone recall 
the seemingly endless sequence of "Tesla Killers" that have been touted 
on Seeking Alpha?  Not a single one has offered or has any prospect of 
offering any competition for Tesla.


In my view, Tesla simply has NO competition.  No competitor is capable 
of producing a car that can compete on price, performance, safety, or 
any other parameter.  Or be produced in volume.  No one else has a 
significant battery supply.  No one else can compete with the 
SuperCharging network.  It seems likely that no one else can compete on 
price especially considering battery costs and supply problems.  To top 
it off, no one else has ANY self driving cars on road and none for sale 
or near production  or sale.  Tesla has hundreds of thousands of cars on 
the road that (we hope/believe) will become Full Self Driving with a 
software update.

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Re: [EVDL] Does anyone really think Tesla can last?

[EVDL Administrator via EV]

I hope it doesn't happen.  Tesla has done a lot to push the entire industry 
forward.  Losing that competition could really slow down EV development.

In an ideal world, if it did happen, they'd open-source the design and hand 
it over to the community.  

I can't imagine their creditors allowing that.

My guess is that, if it happens, one of the major automakers will buy them 
out.  They'll sell off the charging network to an existing charging or oil 
company, sell the battery business to a (maybe partner) battery supplier, 
incorporate the bits of Tesla's EV designs easiest to use into their own 
vehicles, including the ICEVs, and discard the leftover bits that they don't 
want to bother adapting.  

To discern the pattern, think about what GM did with Saab and Daewoo after 
absorbing them.

Of course, I'm no industry insider, so this is all ignorant speculation on 
my part.  

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Re: [EVDL] Does anyone really think Tesla can last?

[Peter Eckhoff via EV]

I'll bite.

I own both a Bolt and a Model 3.  I prefer to drive the Bolt over the Model
3 when it comes to "safety".  I prefer to drive the Model 3 when it comes
to long distance driving.

I think the Bolt's sensor systems are superior to the Model 3's especially
to the rear and blind spot areas.  My Bolt tends to warn me sooner of
vehicles entering my blind spot area.  Backing out of a view blocked
parking space, my Bolt is conservative in detection.  I love the rear view
mirror camera.  The sensor systems basically inform me and let me decide
what to do.

My Model 3's software (Autopiliot) tries to be a superior "me" but I think
it fails in that it activates when it does not need to and I have
experienced "phantom" braking.  Blind spot vehicles appear on the console
just as they are off my rear fender.  All this makes me feel uneasy.  I
limit my use of Autopilot and hope they eventually adopt the GM approach or
have it as a setting such Autopilot Lite.  I think sales will take off then.

The Supercharger network and fast recharge are what are needed to spur
adoption.  I've used the Supercharger network and love it!!  I don't have
to take out any cards to recharge.  I open the recharge port and attach the
Supercharger cable and it automatically starts to recharge.  It tells me
how long it's going to take and at what rate it is recharging.  The
stations are plentiful and cover nearing all of the USA to the point of
being within 100 to 150 miles of a station in almost all areas of the
country.

The Bolt takes about 4 hours (based on screen from a Chevy dealer's Level 3
charger) to top off its 60 kwhr pack while the Model 3's is much faster.

I understand that Tesla is building a network across North Dakota and
southern Canada.  This leaves just a few areas without a Supercharge
station accessible within 150 mile such as SW Kansas, SE Oregon, and a few
other places.  In those cases, Tesla has an adapter package where you can
plug into a 240 volt outlet at an RV campground and recharge at 25 miles
per hour.  If I plan to go cross country, I'll be doing it in a Model 3.

I will worry about the longevity of Tesla when:
1)  one of the established car companies comes out with their own
Supercharger network and has similar recharge times.
2)  their "software over the air" update system gets hacked and there is no
recourse.
3)  Supercharger sites, which are leased, are not renewed by the
land/business owner. (Warsaw NC Supercharge site - hotel thought it would
increase their business.  It didn't.  However, Tesla established another
one not too far away.)
5)  Autopilot continues to be quirky while other companies develop
systems/sensor packages that work with the driver to increase his or her
safety (and that of others).

If the stock price of Tesla should fall, I suspect one of the auto
companies will buy them out.  There's a lot of good tech there and the
Model 3 is a wonderful and fun car to drive.  Slap on their company badge
and take advantage of not having to develop their own version.

Bottom line: I don't see Tesla vanishing into oblivion.  Replacement parts
may become from third party companies or refurbishers.



On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:25 AM Damon Henry via EV 
wrote:

> I'm a big Tesla fan and they have been mentioned in a couple of the recent
> ongoing threads quite a bit.  Personally I do not see how they can last.  I
> will be surprised if they are still in business in 5 years.  Their business
> model seems to be try to build enough hype to keep drawing in investors and
> don't worry about the fact that we are losing hundreds of millions of
> dollars a quarter year after year.  The Model 3 bump gave them a couple of
> quarters of profits and now they are right back where they started and
> likely worse.
>
> I wonder what happens to the software updates and supercharger network
> when they are gone...
>
> They have sold a lot of really great cars and forever changed the
> automotive marketplace.  I just don't see how they can last as a company.
>
> If they do fail, there will surely be Tesla DIY internet resources that
> dwarf anything the EVDL has ever been 
>
> Damon
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[EVDL] Does anyone really think Tesla can last?

[Damon Henry via EV]

I'm a big Tesla fan and they have been mentioned in a couple of the recent 
ongoing threads quite a bit.  Personally I do not see how they can last.  I 
will be surprised if they are still in business in 5 years.  Their business 
model seems to be try to build enough hype to keep drawing in investors and 
don't worry about the fact that we are losing hundreds of millions of dollars a 
quarter year after year.  The Model 3 bump gave them a couple of quarters of 
profits and now they are right back where they started and likely worse.

I wonder what happens to the software updates and supercharger network when 
they are gone...

They have sold a lot of really great cars and forever changed the automotive 
marketplace.  I just don't see how they can last as a company.

If they do fail, there will surely be Tesla DIY internet resources that dwarf 
anything the EVDL has ever been 

Damon


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