Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (now Home solar)

2015-01-13 Thread Rick Beebe via EV
On 01/12/2015 07:19 PM, Michael Ross via EV wrote: PV is simpler you don't have to do anything at all different to get the power into the heater (or heat pump). I actually have never talked to anyone who uses a heat pump water heater. Everyone just goes with resistance heating. It is by far t

Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (now Home solar)

2015-01-13 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
and other electrical needs, I'd still want a sunny spot to soak up some rays :) Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Cor van de Water via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Sent: 12-Jan-15 3:20:42 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (now Home solar) Pe

Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (now Home solar)

2015-01-13 Thread Michael Ross via EV
ssage -- > From: "Cor van de Water via EV" > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" > Sent: 12-Jan-15 1:02:26 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (now Home solar) > > Solar thermal is not expensive if it is installed when the house is >> buil

Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (now Home solar)

2015-01-12 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
6:36 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (now Home solar) Cor, that seems like a rather small collector. Is it large enough that you got a significant benefit from it? My experience is even more basic. We have south facing windows on our upper

Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (now Home solar)

2015-01-12 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
charging. By offsetting your home heating with a solar collector design, you could free up funds to install more PV panels :) Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Cor van de Water via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Sent: 12-Jan-15 1:02:26 AM Subjec

Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (now Home solar)

2015-01-12 Thread len moskowitz via EV
See this article on greenbuildingadvisor.com: Solar Thermal Is Really, Really Dead http://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/blogs/dept/musings/solar-thermal-really-really-dead Len Moskowitz -    On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 04:02 AM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:    > Solar thermal is not expensiv

Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (now Home solar)

2015-01-12 Thread Michael Ross via EV
om > Email: cwa...@proxim.com Private: http://www.cvandewater.info > Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626 > > -Original Message- > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Michael Ross > via EV > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 4:08 PM > To: Peri

Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (now Home solar)

2015-01-12 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
7626 -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Michael Ross via EV Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 4:08 PM To: Peri Hartman; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (now Home solar) A few years now, my business at NC State ha

Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (now Home solar)

2015-01-11 Thread Michael Ross via EV
than for generating electricity until we > have better PV technology. So, don't overlook installing collectors. > > Peri > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Peter Eckhoff via EV" > To: "Ben Goren" ; "Electric Vehicle Discussion > List&qu

Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (now Home solar)

2015-01-11 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 10 Jan 2015 at 14:22, Rush Dougherty via EV wrote: > I like PV a lot, in fact I wrote an article about PV on my RV that was > published in Home Power, but isn't this list supposed to talk/discuss EV's? The EVDL conventions say, "Discussions of PV (solar) energy should be tightly framed in an

Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (now Home solar)

2015-01-11 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
l we have better PV technology. So, don't overlook installing collectors. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Peter Eckhoff via EV" To: "Ben Goren" ; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Sent: 11-Jan-15 10:21:19 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Demand

Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (now Home solar)

2015-01-11 Thread Peter Eckhoff via EV
When I took a Solar Energy course way back when, my instructor said there was a "rule of thumb" for solar thermal heating. He said to take the square footage of the heated **area** and divide by 3 to produce a storage **volume** estimate. At the time, fist sized rocks were used to store the

Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (now Home solar)

2015-01-10 Thread Rush Dougherty via EV
I like PV a lot, in fact I wrote an article about PV on my RV that was published in Home Power, but isn't this list supposed to talk/discuss EV's? Rush Tucson AZ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinf

Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (now Home solar)

2015-01-10 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:21 AM, tomw via EV wrote: > His book, Solar Hot > Water Heating, describes (among other systems) using solar hot water > collectors to heat a 2 ft thick layer of sand which is insulated inside the > house foundation with a concrete slab floor on top of it, giving over one >

Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (now Home solar)

2015-01-10 Thread jim via EV
The supposed national average home electrical use is about 900 to 1000 kwhrs/month, depending on the source of the info. We live in an old farm house in Wisconsin (where we have been having high temps of below zero or the low single digits for the past week).  We have less than 5kw of PVs mostly

Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (now Home solar)

2015-01-10 Thread tomw via EV
It is possible to go all electric, even in MN, but it requires different house construction. Bob Ramlow lives in Wisconsin and says his solar hot water provides about 70% of his heating requirements. His book, Solar Hot Water Heating, describes (among other systems) using solar hot water collecto

Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (now Home solar)

2015-01-10 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Again, just as with EVs, it's not going to be an universal solution. But, again again, even a partial solution is going to make sense for lots of folks. Somebody who really does need a diesel pickup to haul stuff around on a regular basis may still be a perfect candidate for an EV for a daily co

Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (now Home solar)

2015-01-09 Thread Mike Nickerson via EV
However, you are very lucky that your peak need correlates exactly with your peak generation. In any part of the country where winter heat is required, I think Robert's assertions are largely correct. Our peak needs correspond with the season of least generation. The temperature gap in summer

Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (now Home solar)

2015-01-09 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jan 9, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > But NOT for the typical modern non-FOSSIL FUEL BURNING all electric homes > with AC and Electric Heat pumps... IE, if a home continues to burn fossil > fuel for heat, Oil, and Propane, then we have not fully switched to > renewables. Yo

Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (now Home solar)

2015-01-09 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
Whoah... Im 100% motivated by solar and EV's, but need to correct some overreach here... > PV efficiency is already plenty [18%]. True, and anyone who thinks higher efficiency is just around the corner does not understand solar. We have had silicon 5%-15% efficiency for half a century (now being