Re: [EVDL] Easy EV Comparison - The Enemy is Us?

2015-06-07 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Got it. On emissions, in California it's tailpipe that's important, so from that standpoint, Tesla is still far superior. If you want to go behind that, it gets murkier (particularly if you want to use lead acid batteries). Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 7, 2015, at 12:33 PM, Ben Goren via EV

Re: [EVDL] Easy EV Comparison - The Enemy is Us?

2015-06-07 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
But not matching the Tesla in one important (to me, anyway) respect - emissions. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 7, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Ben Goren via EV wrote: > >> On Jun 7, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: >> >> A Chevy Volt was designed >> just for this lady! > > Almost...but n

Re: [EVDL] Easy EV Comparison - The Enemy is Us?

2015-06-07 Thread Tom Keenan via EV
> It'll mostly be an all-electric vehicle -- to the point that, as with Volt > owners, save for road trips, I'll have to pay attention to not letting the > gasoline get stale in the tank. In speaking with Volt manufacturer reps, they say that the Volt engineers thought of that as well. They pr

Re: [EVDL] Easy EV Comparison

2015-06-07 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Great post. I wish that more people realized that you can't expect to put a square peg into a round hole. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 6, 2015, at 8:07 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote: > > I think a lot of "the gas folks" really do get that. The problem is that, > especially in the more sprawling

Re: [EVDL] Easy EV Comparison - The Enemy is Us?

2015-06-07 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jun 7, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Mark Abramowitz wrote: > But not matching the Tesla in one important (to me, anyway) respect - > emissions. Well, yes and no. It'll mostly be an all-electric vehicle -- to the point that, as with Volt owners, save for road trips, I'll have to pay attention to not

Re: [EVDL] Easy EV Comparison - The Enemy is Us?

2015-06-07 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jun 7, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > A Chevy Volt was designed > just for this lady! Almost...but not quite. Never mind how older generations did just fine with station wagons and even, in my own case, VW Bugs as "family cars," today's suburbanites "need" an SUV for thei

[EVDL] Easy EV Comparison - Glass half empty

2015-06-07 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
Nice Quote, but half empty... His ilk will be left in the dust. To me, every morning I leave the house, I leave with a FULL Fuel (battery) tank because it was filled up at home overnight with 5 seconds of effort on my part. Every day I begin with MAX range Bob, WB4APR -Original Messa

[EVDL] Easy EV Comparison - The Enemy is Us?

2015-06-07 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
If we condone the arguments below, then maybe the enemy of EV's is us? A Plug-in Hybrid would serve this lady's driving just fine. She gets maximum EV mileage and she gets maximum range when needed. Lets not let the perfect be the enemy of the good-enough. A Chevy Volt was designed just for th

Re: [EVDL] Easy EV Comparison

2015-06-07 Thread Brandon Hines via EV
Well said, Ben! I love my leaf and it fits well within my life circumstances, but I recognize that there are many factors that dictate if an 80 mile range EV is at all practical. The city in which you live. Where you live relative to work. If you have kids who participate in after school activi

Re: [EVDL] Easy EV Comparison

2015-06-07 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 6 Jun 2015 at 20:07, Ben Goren via EV wrote: > The problem is that, especially in the more sprawling metropolises, > their lives are built such that a car with only a two gallon "tank" > just isn't any use to them. I think it was Lee Iacocca who once described driving an EV, probably Chrysle

Re: [EVDL] Easy EV Comparison

2015-06-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
I think a lot of "the gas folks" really do get that. The problem is that, especially in the more sprawling metropolises, their lives are built such that a car with only a two gallon "tank" just isn't any use to them. I have a good friend who lives in Surprise, Arizona, a suburb of Phoenix. She

[EVDL] Easy EV Comparison

2015-06-06 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
One way to describe the new Paradigm that EV’s bring to daily living to the typical gas driver is to say something like this: “Imagine if every day you came home and parked, you could stick a hose in your gas tank and get 2 gallons every night for only $1 a gallon.” Well, that’s exactly what