Re: [EVDL] Large Format NiMH Battery Patent Expirations?

2015-06-10 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of David Miller via EV Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 6:17 PM To: Michael Ross Cc: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Large Format NiMH Battery Patent Expirations? T

Re: [EVDL] Large Format NiMH Battery Patent Expirations?

2015-06-10 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
My understanding of the situation is that it's not illegal to manufacture NiMH batteries. You could do it yourself for your own EV, assuming you had the materials and equipment. The law enters when you try to SELL your batteries. This is one of those "intellectual property" deals. The rights

Re: [EVDL] Large Format NiMH Battery Patent Expirations?

2015-06-09 Thread Mike Nickerson via EV
Illegal may be too strong a word, but the NiMH patents were purchased by a group including Texaco and Chevron that refused to license the cells in any format large enough to use in a plug-in vehicle. You wouldn't be facing jail time, but you could face huge lawsuits if you manufactured cells wi

Re: [EVDL] Large Format NiMH Battery Patent Expirations?

2015-06-09 Thread Rush Dougherty via EV
t has NiMH cells and this would be great. Thanks Rush Tucson AZ > -Original Message- > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Michael Ross via EV > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 5:39 PM > To: David Miller; Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: Re:

Re: [EVDL] Large Format NiMH Battery Patent Expirations?

2015-06-09 Thread David Miller via EV
Thanks Michael! As to the legality of manufacturing and selling Large Format NiMH: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_encumbrance_of_large_automotive_NiMH_batteries Battery reconditioning? I'd need to pull the batteries and find another vehicle. At 65 hours per cycle, 3 cycles per cell and

Re: [EVDL] Large Format NiMH Battery Patent Expirations?

2015-06-09 Thread Michael Ross via EV
David, NiMH can recover capacity by charging and discharging to a particular protocol. The electrode gradually grows into a surface that has less surface area and the "crystalline" structure can be regrown into a better configuration. We have a community college in the western part of the state t

[EVDL] Large Format NiMH Battery Patent Expirations?

2015-06-09 Thread David Miller via EV
Hi All! I drive a 2002 Toyota Rav4-EV. Yes, the one with 24 NiHM Panasonic EV-95 batteries! Patents by Cobasys, Ovonics, Texaco, Chevron, BASF, The pack has pushed 131 thousand miles over 13 years. It has dropped to around 65% original capacity. Power is similarly limited. Last year I