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>> From: "Lee Hart via EV"
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Absolutely correct - some slack is appropriate.
As far as the experience level of those they hired - is that really the case?
Even in the region, given the history of auto manufacturing in the region, I
would expect a number of experience people willing to come back. And, of
course, you hire
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Musk throws another tantrum
>paul dove via EV wrote:
>>54 violations in 5 years does not constitute not caring about
>>employees.
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>No; by itself, that may or may not be unusual. But David Roden said
>Tesla had 3 times as many
You are correct about what they have accomplished. But you need to acknowledge
the good with the bad - it’s not a binary good/bad choice. Musk needs to get
credit for what he has accomplishment, but also get called out where he
deserves it.
Skirting environmental, health, safety regs are among
Willie via EV wrote:
Yes, surprising. I know the people on this list have worked diligently
for decades to hasten the adoption of EVs. Through both personal
example and public advocacy. Yet, we have not had the success that we
desired. Then, Tesla came along and did the deed. Tesla has been
In fairness to Tesla, the rest of the automakers have DECADES of experience
manufacturing cars (at least one of them has been in business for over a
century)
Tesla has only been actually manufacturing cars for 8 years, you have to expect
a few issues when starting from scratch, especially
blowers ?
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From: "Lee Hart via EV"
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
Cc: "Lee Hart"
Sent: 11-May-20 8:15:03 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Musk throws another tantrum
paul dove via EV wrote:
54 violat
paul dove via EV wrote:
54 violations in 5 years does not constitute not caring about
employees.
No; by itself, that may or may not be unusual. But David Roden said
Tesla had 3 times as many OSHA violations as Nissan, Toyota, Ford, Kia,
and Mercedes all put together. *That* is worrisome.
When
On 5/11/20 5:49 AM, paul dove via EV wrote:
54 violations in 5 years does not constitute not caring about employees. I have
yet to figure out why you hate Tesla. They are made in the US. They are the
best and safest car on the market. They are electric. Yet you bad mouth them
every chance
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Cc: "Michael Ross"
Sent: 10-May-20 8:23:57 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Musk throws another tantrum
I think the Nevada site may have needed less protection from environmental
effects of ths factory. T
https://www.tesla.com/ns_videos/tesla-impact-report-2019.pdf
On Monday, May 11, 2020, 6:40:50 AM CDT, Mark Abramowitz via EV
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Hard to say because he skirted the need to do any analysis.
- Mark
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54 violations in 5 years does not constitute not caring about employees. I have
yet to figure out why you hate Tesla. They are made in the US. They are the
best and safest car on the market. They are electric. Yet you bad mouth them
every chance you get.
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I hope you all recall the government fined Tesla for not filing a vehicle
emissions report.
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> On May 10, 2020, at 10:24 PM, Michael Ross via EV wrote:
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> I think the Nevada site may have needed less protection from environmental
> effects of ths factory. That is a good
Hard to say because he skirted the need to do any analysis.
- Mark
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> On May 10, 2020, at 8:24 PM, Michael Ross via EV wrote:
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> I think the Nevada site may have needed less protection from environmental
> effects of ths factory. That is a good idea.
I think the Nevada site may have needed less protection from environmental
effects of ths factory. That is a good idea. Build where the impact is
lower. CA says it is too impactful, Nevada says this is not too impactful.
Learn more and then respond. Can we afford it? Then let's do it. Why does
Musk did not want to comply with state environmental planning and disclosure
requirements, and tried to get our legislature to exempt him. When that didn’t
work, he build his battery factory in Nevada, where they have lax requirements.
Pattern and practice, though ironic.
- Mark
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On 5/10/20 11:38 AM, Michael Ross via EV wrote:
It is a classically human response to be continually biased, and not taking
in new information, or considering new knowledge structures when a person
has decided on a position and defended it publically, and with energy. The
trick is to know
read:
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Don-t-mess-w-Musk-uproot-HQ-move2-TX-Final-straw-he-s-ticked-tp4697295.html
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It is a classically human response to be continually biased, and not taking
in new information, or considering new knowledge structures when a person
has decided on a position and defended it publically, and with energy. The
trick is to know that, to seek nonconforming information, and synthesize
Profit is a straw man. Just look at Netflix. Musk's goal is making as many
EVs as possible, he would go broke doing it, sell his house and start over
if it came to that. Not normal, but a recipe for success. It is a shame he
ever went public, but maybe it made sense at the time. SpaceX- it was
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From: "EVDL Administrator via EV"
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Cc: "EVDL Administrator"
Sent: 10-May-20 8:51:41 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Musk throws another tantrum
On 10 May 2020 at 9:36, Michael Ross
On 10 May 2020 at 9:36, Michael Ross via EV wrote:
> I am betting his approach is to try to forge ahead and at the same time
> try to make it safe for his employees.
You may know something that I don't, but that's not a bet I'd make. Tesla
doesn't run a safe shop. From 2014 to 2018, they had
I promise this is not OT. Though What Musk does with his businesses could
be considered such.
As an at risk, well educated, and following the science closely person I
get it that we need to be very strict to reduce sickness and death from the
novel coronavirus. This is a very tricky one since
Glad someone is speaking up
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> On May 10, 2020, at 2:40 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV
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> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/10/elon-musk-threatens-to-move-
> tesla-hq-out-of-california-over-covid-19-restrictions
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> Elon Musk threatens to move Tesla HQ
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/10/elon-musk-threatens-to-move-
tesla-hq-out-of-california-over-covid-19-restrictions
Elon Musk threatens to move Tesla HQ out of California over Covid-19
restrictions
Reuters
Published on Sat 9 May 2020 22.25 EDT
Tesla is suing local authorities in
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