Re: [EVDL] Tell Toyota what you think of their Fool cell vehicle

2015-04-24 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
My comment to Toyota: I have been an electric vehicle and alternative energy enthusiast professional for two decades. It was 1997 when a Kummerow electric vehicle powered by a Zinc air battery went 1000 miles on a charge. However it took three days and 4 drivers. It was a golf cart like

Re: [EVDL] Tell Toyota what you think of their Fool cell vehicle

2015-04-24 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Sent from my iPhone On Apr 24, 2015, at 9:01 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: It will always be twice as expensive in fuel to run a fuel cell vehicle. This statement puzzled me. What about future pricing of fuel for a BEV would cause the price to rise so much? Or do you

[EVDL] Tell Toyota what you think of their Fool cell vehicle

2015-04-23 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
Earlier today, I got an email from Toyota promoting their Fool Cell vehicle (with no reply address). So I went to the Toyota web site and found the CONTACT link and filled out an on-line email telling them to stop throwing good money after bad in last years ideas (Fool cells) and to come out

Re: [EVDL] Tell Toyota what you think of their Fool cell vehicle

2015-04-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Apr 23, 2015, at 5:48 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: [T]his industry has put it into law that you can get credits for providing a zero-emission long range vehicle[] I think it would make the contrast between BEVs and FCVs much starker if the requirement wasn't

Re: [EVDL] Tell Toyota what you think of their Fool cell vehicle

2015-04-23 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 24 Apr 2015 at 1:08, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Eventually people will wise up to the taxes, aka subsidies, needed to support a fuel cell auto industry when they start wondering where their tax payments are going. Education will shorten that time. Watch out, that's a sharp two-edged

Re: [EVDL] Tell Toyota what you think of their Fool cell vehicle

2015-04-23 Thread Jorg Brown via EV
Surely, rather than fighting _against_ FCVs, we should be fighting _with_ them, against our common enemy the internal combustion engine? https://youtu.be/kHHitXxH-us?t=44s (I'm not a big fan of FCVs, but it seems to me they will go away on their own; we don't need to hasten their demise, other

Re: [EVDL] Tell Toyota what you think of their Fool cell vehicle

2015-04-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Apr 23, 2015, at 9:10 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On 24 Apr 2015 at 1:08, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Eventually people will wise up to the taxes, aka subsidies, needed to support a fuel cell auto industry when they start wondering where their tax payments are

Re: [EVDL] Tell Toyota what you think of their Fool cell vehicle

2015-04-23 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Toyota what you think of their Fool cell vehicle Bob, thanks for writing in about your effort and the response. It spurred me into action, I went there and submitted my thoughts on the Prius (I have an '02, and on the newest models), but more so on the FCV vs BEV debate. Perhaps many of us could sway

Re: [EVDL] Tell Toyota what you think of their Fool cell vehicle

2015-04-23 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 23-Apr-15 5:48:18 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Tell Toyota what you think of their Fool cell vehicle I have the impression that no matter how hard we argue here until we are blue in the face (and it will edify

Re: [EVDL] Tell Toyota what you think of their Fool cell vehicle

2015-04-23 Thread Mr23 via EV
Bob, thanks for writing in about your effort and the response. It spurred me into action, I went there and submitted my thoughts on the Prius (I have an '02, and on the newest models), but more so on the FCV vs BEV debate. Perhaps many of us could sway them, eventually. Thanks again, -Chris

Re: [EVDL] Tell Toyota what you think of their Fool cell vehicle

2015-04-23 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
-- Original Message -- From: Jorg Brown via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Robert Bruninga bruni...@usna.edu; Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 23-Apr-15 9:11:12 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Tell Toyota what you think of their Fool cell vehicle Surely, rather than fighting _against_ FCVs

Re: [EVDL] Tell Toyota what you think of their Fool cell vehicle

2015-04-23 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Peri Hartman via EV wrote: I'm not so sure FCVs are an ally to EVs. Whether FCVs go away on their own or not, to build the infrastructure will cost billions and then billions more of subsidies to generate hydrogen at a competitive price. Once that infrastructure exists, it is a beast, not an