Re: [EVDL] Drive Leaf EVs from CA, exporting to NC : Low-mileage Leaf EV glut

[Cor van de Water via EV]

Since this quest is about a 2011 Leaf which has a 3kW charger, the L2 option 
will automatically make this day-long sessions so not pleasant.
L3 is present in the vehicle so that is the preferred method.
Unless someone has a portable L3 charger that can plug into a 240V 50A (RV) 
service for 12kW charging for 1-2 hour sessions
where L3 chargers are not available, this is going to be a *loong* trip if 
done on the Leaf's own EV power
Hence my recommendation to use a tow dolly, I can supply the second hand tow 
dolly with the car. Just need a truck with 2" ball hitch.
Cor.

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From experience my first trip from San Francisco to Los Angeles was about 20 
hours including fiddling time in Fresno to figure out the EVSE. I can now get 
to San Diego in that same time.  With a 30kw Leaf I think I can reduce the 
time.  This is with Level Three every 60 to 70 miles.  Also I didn't have the 
EVRUS system when I did that.  Now I can go down the I-5 and save time. San 
Francisco,(might hit the Level three at Nissan in Pleasanton) Santa Nella, 
Colinga, Lost Hills, Gorman, Buena Park, Capistrano.  From Capistrano It's 
possible to make it to San Diego. That is 6 or 7 stops depending on how 
adventurous you are.  About 16 hours.  Average speed 55mph.  550 miles.  So If 
you had perfect conditions across country That is 96 Hours driving and 
charging.  But it's not perfect so you could make it to Phoenix or Tuscon with 
some trouble(252 miles from Palm Desert with just level 2) but then it's 
litterly a desert till mid Texas.  Switching from route 10 to 20 it's then 
still bad till the South where there is some charging but It's going to be over 
a week if you drive steady. Lots of 4 hour sessions at level 2.  Lawrence Rhodes
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[EVDL] Drive Leaf EVs from CA, exporting to NC : Low-mileage Leaf EV glut

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

From experience my first trip from San Francisco to Los Angeles was about 20 
hours including fiddling time in Fresno to figure out the EVSE. I can now get 
to San Diego in that same time.  With a 30kw Leaf I think I can reduce the 
time.  This is with Level Three every 60 to 70 miles.  Also I didn't have the 
EVRUS system when I did that.  Now I can go down the I-5 and save time. San 
Francisco,(might hit the Level three at Nissan in Pleasanton) Santa Nella, 
Colinga, Lost Hills, Gorman, Buena Park, Capistrano.  From Capistrano It's 
possible to make it to San Diego. That is 6 or 7 stops depending on how 
adventurous you are.  About 16 hours.  Average speed 55mph.  550 miles.  So If 
you had perfect conditions across country That is 96 Hours driving and 
charging.  But it's not perfect so you could make it to Phoenix or Tuscon with 
some trouble(252 miles from Palm Desert with just level 2) but then it's 
litterly a desert till mid Texas.  Switching from route 10 to 20 it's then 
still bad till the South where there is some charging but It's going to be over 
a week if you drive steady. Lots of 4 hour sessions at level 2.  Lawrence Rhodes
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Re: [EVDL] Drive Leaf EVs from CA, exporting to NC : Low-mileage Leaf EV glut

[Cor van de Water via EV]

Hi Bruce,
I have a bit of experience in transporting a Leaf, since my first Leaf
was picked up in SoCal
(only 1 mile away from the Mexican border, literally exit 1 on highway
5, where the lot of
an insurance company had it stored) and so when I went to get it, I
borrowed the light truck
from a colleague, attached the tow dolly that I had bought a couple
months earlier since I had been
picking up 2 Prius'es in the previous months as well and the great thing
of a second hand tow dolly is
that there is no cost: you can sell it at the same price as you buy it,
there is no registration needed and you can
tow it with any vehicle you like, unlike U-Haul who are very strict with
what type of towing
vehicle is used, besides charging you a good chunk of cash.
Anyway, I drove 500 miles south with the empty tow dolly, slept a few
hours in a Motel 6,
picked up the Leaf and drove another 500 miles north with the Leaf in
tow. LA traffic made my trip
many hours longer than hoped for, but within 30 hours of leaving I made
it back with Leaf.

So, in my opinion the best way to transport an EV long distance is to
come with a vehicle that has
a 2" ball hitch, you may or may not bring a tow dolly, and return with
the EV on a tow dolly,
it is probably worthwhile to compare the options with different vehicles
regarding fuel cost
and sleeping arrangements.
Since I still have a tow dolly and do not care too much if I keep it or
sell it with the Leaf, that is
likely the most cost effective way to transport *if* you are not
counting your own time.
Else, a transporter is likely the most efficient and cost effective, but
I have not priced that out.
When I needed to pick up the Leaf, it was a deal that essentially went
like: can you come tomorrow?
OK, then the car is yours. So, I went.
Cor.

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Leaf EV glut



-Ask for volunteer drivers to take them from California to North
Carolina.
That would be quite an adventure.-

I envision two sets of volunteers, one would have a way to tow to NC
(Truck& flat bed) and the other would be some really brave souls with
plug in hand, a fat wallet to empty, and way too much time on their
hands.

Lets assume two volunteers decide to take Cor's Leaf EVs to N.C. And
they pony up for all expenses ahead of time including some cheap
transport back home, to be reimbursed by the buyer. Also lets assume
Cor's Leaf EVs are no slouch, and have L3 DC CHAdeMO and L2-6kW charging
ability (other Leaf EVs available cheap do not).

While the trek might sound thrilling
 (it perked my ears up, but doubt I would fit in a Leaf for a long
journey), like the 1971 movie Vanishing Point
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanishing_Point_(1971_film)

To maximize range you likely would keep it to a boring 55mph or less
(the cops won't be chasing you), and you would be spending a whole lot
of L2 charging time, over and over and over.

Remove the thoughts the movie brought of drugs, sex, and rock-n-roll,
and add paying full price for an RV space to get a charge overnight 9and
you would still need to find a nearby motel to sleep at).

Nope, looking a plugshare.com and only enabling the CHAdeMO L3, j1772,
and the 14-50 charging points, there will still be large gaps between
charges that you have to overcome.
Looking at plugshare's map, no mater which route you chose there are
gaps, here is one of many:
https://goo.gl/maps/NYU6XU6Gc8Q2

Going south from Cor's to LA would be straight forward, but the map
shows the distance between Mojave and Barstow is ~78 miles

Somehow achieving that, and continuing on i-40 east, the next hardship
is from Barstow to Needles https://goo.gl/maps/mFRJWhyEunk  a gap of
~150 miles

I will stop at this point, because not only do I think you see my point,
it would not be an adventure unless you wanted to write a book on why
not to buy an EV.

I do want to point out others have already crossed the U.S. and you just
need to network with them to know the who, what, where, when, how they
did it. Terry Hershner is one of those,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Hershner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/electric-terry-hershner-20361423
https://www.youtube.com/user/gasfreeearth
 but remember he has a 300mi range e-motorcycle.

To read about specifically how a ~75mi Leaf EV has done it, see
https://www.google.com/search?q=q=electric+leaf+travel+across+U.S.

IMO, I think the buyer should go check Cor's Leaf EVs both online and
then also travel to his place to complete their decision and the
transaction.
Then arrange for transport to N.C. (last car transporter cost quote was
$1,400).




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[brucedp5 via EV]

-Ask for volunteer drivers to take them from California to North Carolina.
That would be quite an adventure.-

I envision two sets of volunteers, one would have a way to tow to NC (Truck&
flat bed)
and the other would be some really brave souls with plug in hand, a fat
wallet to empty, and way too much time on their hands.

Lets assume two volunteers decide to take Cor's Leaf EVs to N.C. And they
pony up for all expenses ahead of time including some cheap transport back
home, to be reimbursed by the buyer. Also lets assume Cor's Leaf EVs are no
slouch, and have L3 DC CHAdeMO and L2-6kW charging ability (other Leaf EVs
available cheap do not).

While the trek might sound thrilling
 (it perked my ears up, but doubt I would fit in a Leaf for a long journey), 
like the 1971 movie Vanishing Point
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanishing_Point_(1971_film)

To maximize range you likely would keep it to a boring 55mph or less (the
cops won't be chasing you), and you would be spending a whole lot of L2
charging time, over and over and over.

Remove the thoughts the movie brought of drugs, sex, and rock-n-roll, and
add paying full price for an RV space to get a charge overnight 9and you
would still need to find a nearby motel to sleep at).

Nope, looking a plugshare.com and only enabling the CHAdeMO L3, j1772, and
the 14-50 charging points, there will still be large gaps between charges
that you have to overcome.
Looking at plugshare's map, no mater which route you chose there are gaps,
here is one of many:
https://goo.gl/maps/NYU6XU6Gc8Q2

Going south from Cor's to LA would be straight forward, but the map shows
the distance between Mojave and Barstow is ~78 miles

Somehow achieving that, and continuing on i-40 east, the next hardship is
from Barstow to Needles
https://goo.gl/maps/mFRJWhyEunk
 a gap of ~150 miles

I will stop at this point, because not only do I think you see my point, it
would not be an adventure unless you wanted to write a book on why not to
buy an EV.

I do want to point out others have already crossed the U.S. and you just
need to network with them to know the who, what, where, when, how they did
it. Terry Hershner is one of those,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Hershner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/electric-terry-hershner-20361423
https://www.youtube.com/user/gasfreeearth
 but remember he has a 300mi range e-motorcycle.

To read about specifically how a ~75mi Leaf EV has done it, see
https://www.google.com/search?q=q=electric+leaf+travel+across+U.S.

IMO, I think the buyer should go check Cor's Leaf EVs both online and then
also travel to his place to complete their decision and the transaction.
Then arrange for transport to N.C. (last car transporter cost quote was
$1,400).




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