Re: [EVDL] opinion: smaller evs ?

2022-09-14 Thread Peter VanDerWal via EV
A large part of the popularity is due to the laws in the USA. Powered three wheeled vehicles are considered "Motorcycles" by the Federal government and most states, so they don't need to meet the safety requirements for cars. Three wheeled bicycles are specified by federal law as bicycles

Re: [EVDL] opinion: smaller evs ?

2022-09-14 Thread Peter VanDerWal via EV
I think something similar to the BMW I3 Rex would be a good solution for most people. 70-80 miles on batteries (less lithium, less weight) would work for the majority of people 90-95% of the time. For longer trips you switch over to the onboard generator. The main problem with the I3 Rex is

Re: [EVDL] opinion: smaller evs ?

2022-09-12 Thread Lee Hart via EV
EV List Lackey via EV wrote: I'm not an engineer (duh), but I get the impression that 3-wheelers can be made reasonably stable with clever engineering. But you have to be really careful what you do with them once they've left the drawing board, because that engineering depends partly on precise

Re: [EVDL] opinion: smaller evs ?

2022-09-11 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
On 11 Sep 2022 at 10:15, Arnold Ligurs via EV wrote: > Am I the only one that thinks this sort of 3 wheel configuration is not > optimal? Nope. :-) I'm not an engineer (duh), but I get the impression that 3-wheelers can be made reasonably stable with clever engineering. But you have to be

Re: [EVDL] opinion: smaller evs ?

2022-09-11 Thread Arnold Ligurs via EV
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 15:29:10 + Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > Here are a few small EVs on sale, or about to be available. > > https://electrek.co/2022/07/25/nimbus-one-50-mph-electric-vehicle/ > single seat, front air back, collision sensors > > Arcimoto > https://www.arcimoto.com/order >

Re: [EVDL] opinion: smaller evs ?

2022-09-10 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
On 10 Sep 2022 at 9:11, Gary Krysztopik via EV wrote: > our best hope is to create a new system separate from the roads that > are now ruined from a safety/efficiency standpoint. That new system can > be closing some city roads to fast/heavy traffic to help connect bike > paths but it seems that

Re: [EVDL] opinion: smaller evs ?

2022-09-10 Thread Gary Krysztopik via EV
ers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Gary Krysztopik via EV" > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" > Cc: "Gary Krysztopik" > Sent: 10-Sep-22 06:28:13 > Subject: Re: [EVDL] opinion: smaller evs ?

Re: [EVDL] opinion: smaller evs ?

2022-09-10 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
<< Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "Gary Krysztopik via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "Gary Krysztopik" Sent: 10-Sep-22 06:28:13 Subject: Re: [EVDL] opinion: smaller evs ? I

Re: [EVDL] opinion: smaller evs ?

2022-09-10 Thread Ron via EV
The width was one of my thoughts, too. I know of a couple of urban bridges where the "bike lane" is actually a single shared sidewalk. It's been several years since I lived there and used those routes, but as I recall it required care for two standard wheelchairs or mobility scooters to get

Re: [EVDL] opinion: smaller evs ?

2022-09-09 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
t;EV List Lackey" Sent: 09-Sep-22 14:14:34 Subject: Re: [EVDL] opinion: smaller evs ? On 9 Sep 2022 at 14:21, Gary Krysztopik via EV wrote: If we could greatly expand protected bike paths we could introduce all kinds of micro EVTMs like the ELF, PEBL, Twike, Podride and so many more

Re: [EVDL] opinion: smaller evs ?

2022-09-09 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
On 9 Sep 2022 at 14:21, Gary Krysztopik via EV wrote: > If we could greatly expand protected bike paths we could introduce all kinds > of micro EVTMs like the ELF, PEBL, Twike, Podride and so many more for simple > efficient local transportation. Do you think that bike riders would accept

Re: [EVDL] opinion: smaller evs ?

2022-09-09 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
Bill, all good points. The idea that one needs 2 tons of steel round him to get to work is just plain nuts. I absolutely agree that we need efficient EVs. But it's tough to even get more efficient ICEVs here. The trend is in the opposite direction, and it has the immense mass of ultra-rich

Re: [EVDL] opinion: smaller evs ?

2022-09-09 Thread Gary Krysztopik via EV
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Re: [EVDL] opinion: smaller evs ?

2022-09-09 Thread Bill Woodcock via EV
> On Sep 9, 2022, at 7:23 AM, EV List Lackey via EV wrote: > On 9 Sep 2022 at 3:49, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: >> In the mean time, one possibility is for manufactures to make smaller, >> light weight cars. Less weight, less battery. Maybe less cost, too. Is >> there a market for that ? Could

Re: [EVDL] opinion: smaller evs ?

2022-09-08 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
On 9 Sep 2022 at 3:49, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > In the mean time, one possibility is for manufactures to make smaller, > light weight cars. Less weight, less battery. Maybe less cost, too. Is > there a market for that ? Could be, if people are impatient enough to > buy EVs. Less battery

Re: [EVDL] opinion: smaller evs ?

2022-09-08 Thread Frank Bonilla via EV
2 words, - Super Capacitors- If battery tech fails start putting R & D into Super caps. and solar. On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 11:51 PM Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > Currently, we have shortage of EVs. From what I've read and observed, > this is primarily because industry is ramping up. But, the