Re: [Evangelism] Total revenue metrics for Plone
On 25/08/2009, at 10:25 AM, Karl Horak wrote: Dylan, I've been looking for the silver bullet that will slay the werewolf of web statistics for several years, both for Plone and in my day-job. Alas, I don't have a simple mechanism for pulling the answers you want (and the community needs) out of the aether. I've gone on at some length over at http://plonemetrics.blogspot.com/2009/08/meaningful-stats.html PloneMetrics this morning. Perhaps the best thing to do is have a Marketing Monday. Divvy up Plone.net and send individual contact e-mails out with a questionnaire. When/ if the results roll in, manually accumulate them. Obviously, when it comes to financial matters of Plone companies, a great deal of confidentiality will be required. Thanks. I read your blog post with interest. Gathering up total plone revenue would be interesting but also a lot of effort. It also doesn't count all the work done by resource internal to a company which I suspect is substantial. Perhaps effort is better put into call back home type functionality in plone (which has been discussed before) to gather better install base stats. It would be very interesting to gather user counts on as many plone sites as possible, and times them by the average sharepoint per user license fee and give plone a sharepoint equivalent revenue figure. Someone is probably going to tell me that such suspect statistics will do the reputation of Plone more harm than good but it doesn't sound worse than the top 3% of open source projects figure we use a lot which is pretty meaningless. I'm just trying to come at this from the point of view of how business decision makers judge the worth of Plone if they aren;t in front of a seller such as us. Plone is a 300M USD or 600M USD etc business equivalent is simple enough to understand. Maybe a marketing sprint would be worthwhile. Anyone care to visit ABQ this season? I'm pretty sure there will be one at the Plone conference but I have yet to hear any annoucement. Karl Dylan Jay wrote: ...But is it possible, even without Plone being one company? For instance could an independent auditor collect all "plone revenue" figures from all registered integrators for the purposes of created an amalgamated figure? How would work done with an organisation such as a university be valued? Instead is it possible to estimate from stats we currently have? Are there any stats about Plone's success that are really meaningful? Dylan Jay, Plone Solutions Manager -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Total-revenue-metrics-for-Plone-tp3496960p3507000.html Sent from the Evangelism mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
Re: [Evangelism] Total revenue metrics for Plone
Dylan, I've been looking for the silver bullet that will slay the werewolf of web statistics for several years, both for Plone and in my day-job. Alas, I don't have a simple mechanism for pulling the answers you want (and the community needs) out of the aether. I've gone on at some length over at http://plonemetrics.blogspot.com/2009/08/meaningful-stats.html PloneMetrics this morning. Perhaps the best thing to do is have a Marketing Monday. Divvy up Plone.net and send individual contact e-mails out with a questionnaire. When/if the results roll in, manually accumulate them. Obviously, when it comes to financial matters of Plone companies, a great deal of confidentiality will be required. Maybe a marketing sprint would be worthwhile. Anyone care to visit ABQ this season? Karl Dylan Jay wrote: > > ...But is it possible, even without Plone being one company? > > For instance could an independent auditor collect all "plone revenue" > figures from all registered integrators for the purposes of created an > amalgamated figure? > > How would work done with an organisation such as a university be valued? > > Instead is it possible to estimate from stats we currently have? > > Are there any stats about Plone's success that are really meaningful? > > Dylan Jay, Plone Solutions Manager > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Total-revenue-metrics-for-Plone-tp3496960p3507000.html Sent from the Evangelism mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
[Evangelism] Total revenue metrics for Plone
Just responded to this blog http://www.brandinteractivism.com/2009/08/gartners-wcms-magic-quadrant-is-unfair-to-open-source.html I've been thinking that community open source could perhaps do more to make itself comparable. For instance, Plone as a community is a very distributed and loose organisation but it is still an organisation. As a total organisation, including commercial integrators, it does make revenue. Consultancy, support, hosting etc. If Plone were a single company that would all be tracked and reported on so that those who like such things to analyse (for better or for worse) could do so. But is it possible, even without Plone being one company? For instance could an independent auditor collect all "plone revenue" figures from all registered integrators for the purposes of created an amalgamated figure? How would work done with an organisation such as a university be valued? Instead is it possible to estimate from stats we currently have? Are there any stats about Plone's success that are really meaningful? --- Dylan Jay, Plone Solutions Manager www.pretaweb.com tel:+61299552830 mob:+61421477460 skype:dylan_jay ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism