Re: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01
Am 24.10.2016 um 12:11 schrieb Wolfgang Rosenauer: > Hi, > > Am 24.10.2016 um 09:11 schrieb Moser Helmut: >> Can anybody here please answer the original question (besides tips about >> distro change)? >> It's very important for me too to know what to do after November 1st as I >> have several 13.1 machines sitting there. > > Seeing how we were struggling up to now with 13.1 I see no way to > officially extend the support further. > Nevertheless I'm volunteering to accept patches if submitted through the > maintenance mechanism but I would not call it official support until > someone steps up to take the responsibility tracking security issues. > Therefore the following facts: > - currently there is noone after November who officially tracks updates > - 13.1 has to be considered insecure officially > - patches will be accepted if submitted from contributors > - if people step up, support can be extended I can submit updates for packages I currently maintain anyway ... but not for openSSL. If someone wants to see an update for a special package, then feel free to Mail here or me directly and I will have a look. This is what I can offer ... ... thanks for your tremendous work Wolfgang !! -- Christian - Please do not 'CC' me on list mails. Just reply to the list :) http://www.sc24.de - Sportbekleidung ___ Evergreen mailing list Evergreen@lists.rosenauer.org http://lists.rosenauer.org/mailman/listinfo/evergreen
Re: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01
Hi, Am 24.10.2016 um 09:11 schrieb Moser Helmut: > Can anybody here please answer the original question (besides tips about > distro change)? > It's very important for me too to know what to do after November 1st as I > have several 13.1 machines sitting there. Seeing how we were struggling up to now with 13.1 I see no way to officially extend the support further. Nevertheless I'm volunteering to accept patches if submitted through the maintenance mechanism but I would not call it official support until someone steps up to take the responsibility tracking security issues. Therefore the following facts: - currently there is noone after November who officially tracks updates - 13.1 has to be considered insecure officially - patches will be accepted if submitted from contributors - if people step up, support can be extended Wolfgang > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: Evergreen [mailto:evergreen-boun...@lists.rosenauer.org] Im Auftrag von > Sebastian Niemeyer > Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. Oktober 2016 15:59 > An: oS Evergreen > Betreff: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01 > > Hallo together, > > how are the plans for openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01. Is there a change for a > longer support of the current evergreen release? > > Greetings > > Sebastian ___ Evergreen mailing list Evergreen@lists.rosenauer.org http://lists.rosenauer.org/mailman/listinfo/evergreen
Re: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01
On 2016-10-24 09:11, Moser Helmut wrote: > Hello all, > > Can anybody here please answer the original question (besides tips about > distro change)? > It's very important for me too to know what to do after November 1st as I > have several 13.1 machines sitting there. The more or less official wisdom was to upgrade to 42.2. I have tested this under vmware player, and finished with a graphical mode with XFCE that locks dead. ssh keeps working. I have to test again with RC1. I fear that the automated test bench does not test 13.1 -> 42.2 path. All my machines are 13.1. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Evergreen mailing list Evergreen@lists.rosenauer.org http://lists.rosenauer.org/mailman/listinfo/evergreen
Re: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01
On 2016-10-24 08:22, Axel Braun wrote: > Am Sonntag, 23. Oktober 2016, 22:49:26 schrieb Felix Miata: >>> Me, I think something else would be easier, perhaps ubuntu. >> >> Ubuntu *is* (a) Debian (derivative), just with a custom set of personality >> modifications designed for shielding its users from the underlying power of >> FOSS, e.g. Unity (aka only one way), and sudo (Ugh!). > > As long as you just use it from the CLI, it should be OK. Using Ubuntu with > Unity is clearly a no-go in terms of privacy. Well, a server is mostly used as services and via CLI for changing configurations. > But using TW from command line and not running behind each and every update > may be OK for a server as well. Depends on the needs. Security wise, kernel and services that connect to internet, I guess. The machine has a pentium processor, so anything intensive takes ages. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Evergreen mailing list Evergreen@lists.rosenauer.org http://lists.rosenauer.org/mailman/listinfo/evergreen
Re: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01
Hello all, Can anybody here please answer the original question (besides tips about distro change)? It's very important for me too to know what to do after November 1st as I have several 13.1 machines sitting there. Greetings Helmut -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Evergreen [mailto:evergreen-boun...@lists.rosenauer.org] Im Auftrag von Sebastian Niemeyer Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. Oktober 2016 15:59 An: oS Evergreen Betreff: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01 Hallo together, how are the plans for openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01. Is there a change for a longer support of the current evergreen release? Greetings Sebastian ___ Evergreen mailing list Evergreen@lists.rosenauer.org http://lists.rosenauer.org/mailman/listinfo/evergreen ___ Evergreen mailing list Evergreen@lists.rosenauer.org http://lists.rosenauer.org/mailman/listinfo/evergreen
Re: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01
Am Sonntag, 23. Oktober 2016, 22:49:26 schrieb Felix Miata: > > Me, I think something else would be easier, perhaps ubuntu. > > Ubuntu *is* (a) Debian (derivative), just with a custom set of personality > modifications designed for shielding its users from the underlying power of > FOSS, e.g. Unity (aka only one way), and sudo (Ugh!). As long as you just use it from the CLI, it should be OK. Using Ubuntu with Unity is clearly a no-go in terms of privacy. But using TW from command line and not running behind each and every update may be OK for a server as well. Depends on the needs. Cheers Axel ___ Evergreen mailing list Evergreen@lists.rosenauer.org http://lists.rosenauer.org/mailman/listinfo/evergreen
Re: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01
Carlos E.R. composed on 2016-10-24 05:09 (UTC+0200): On 24/10/2016 4:49, Felix Miata wrote: Carlos E.R. composed on 2016-10-24 04:27 (UTC+0200): Me, I think something else would be easier, perhaps ubuntu. Ubuntu *is* (a) Debian (derivative), just with a custom set of personality modifications designed for shielding its users from the underlying power of FOSS, e.g. Unity (aka only one way), and sudo (Ugh!). But it is easier to handle, isn't it? More popular. Methinks result of marketing (aka $$$) to n00b power, and Google returning askubuntu.com hits on virtually every Linux query (even when -ubuntu is a search term). Maybe not so good for anyone already exposed to the power of Linux and/or comfy with that power. sudo can be bypassed. "sudo su -" for instance. Permanently: sudo passwd root Then empty the sudoers list. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Evergreen mailing list Evergreen@lists.rosenauer.org http://lists.rosenauer.org/mailman/listinfo/evergreen
Re: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01
On 24/10/2016 4:49, Felix Miata wrote: Carlos E.R. composed on 2016-10-24 04:27 (UTC+0200): Me, I think something else would be easier, perhaps ubuntu. Ubuntu *is* (a) Debian (derivative), just with a custom set of personality modifications designed for shielding its users from the underlying power of FOSS, e.g. Unity (aka only one way), and sudo (Ugh!). But it is easier to handle, isn't it? More popular. sudo can be bypassed. "sudo su -" for instance. -- Saludos/Cheers, Carlos E.R. (Minas-Morgul - W10) ___ Evergreen mailing list Evergreen@lists.rosenauer.org http://lists.rosenauer.org/mailman/listinfo/evergreen
Re: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01
Carlos E.R. composed on 2016-10-24 04:27 (UTC+0200): Me, I think something else would be easier, perhaps ubuntu. Ubuntu *is* (a) Debian (derivative), just with a custom set of personality modifications designed for shielding its users from the underlying power of FOSS, e.g. Unity (aka only one way), and sudo (Ugh!). -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Evergreen mailing list Evergreen@lists.rosenauer.org http://lists.rosenauer.org/mailman/listinfo/evergreen
Re: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01
On 24/10/2016 3:32, Felix Miata wrote: Carlos E.R. composed on 2016-10-24 02:31 (UTC+0200): OTOH, abandoning YaST2 for (nothing) and Zypper (particularly its package locking mechanism besides its overall thoughful design) for the various Apt-based alternatives would likely be, at the least for openSUSE ship-jumpers, frustrating. Yes, I was afraid of that. This pair of friends are debian entusiasts, so that is what they want me to do. They even "threat" with replacing my machines OS when I'm not looking with debian, ha ha. Grrr! Me, I think something else would be easier, perhaps ubuntu. Unless they come and set it up completely for me, ha ha, and keep maintaining it, ha! -- Saludos/Cheers, Carlos E.R. (Minas-Morgul - W10) ___ Evergreen mailing list Evergreen@lists.rosenauer.org http://lists.rosenauer.org/mailman/listinfo/evergreen
Re: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01
Carlos E.R. composed on 2016-10-24 02:31 (UTC+0200): Axel Braun wrote: Carlos E. R. composed: how are the plans for openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01. Is there a change for a longer support of the current evergreen release? I'm daunted by the perspectives. Either I buy new 64 bit hardware to replace my old 32 bit hardware, or jump distro to something else, for the server. You know that TW has still 32bit supportbut thats nothing for the server (IMO) I can not put a server that stays 24*7*52(+/-) on TW, and update every other day, and break every other month... I have been told by a friend that debian does have 32b version. Even an 8080 version somewhere. Debian 8 (aka Jessie), the most recent "release" of Debian (currently at 8.6), supports i586 instructions. Its support goes at least through 2018, and possibly through 2020. The next Debian "release" (9, aka Stretch aka Testing) will not have i586 support: http://news.softpedia.com/news/debian-is-dropping-support-for-older-32-bit-hardware-architectures-in-debian-9-503832.shtml Not only do both Jessie and Stretch support i686-class 32-bit, but KDE3 users will find for them a replacement that they may find a little hard to distinguish from it, TDE. TDE offers virtually painless transition. OTOH, abandoning YaST2 for (nothing) and Zypper (particularly its package locking mechanism besides its overall thoughful design) for the various Apt-based alternatives would likely be, at the least for openSUSE ship-jumpers, frustrating. Optional repos for Debian, other than for TDE, I've yet to get a handle on, but seem so far to be considerably less straight-forward than using openSUSE's BS. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ Evergreen mailing list Evergreen@lists.rosenauer.org http://lists.rosenauer.org/mailman/listinfo/evergreen
Re: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01
* Carlos E.R. [10-23-16 20:34]: > On 23/10/2016 17:50, Axel Braun wrote: > > Am Sonntag, 23. Oktober 2016, 16:10:10 schrieb Carlos E. R.: > > > > how are the plans for openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01. Is there a change > > > > for a longer support of the current evergreen release? > > > > > > I'm daunted by the perspectives. Either I buy new 64 bit hardware to > > > replace my old 32 bit hardware, or jump distro to something else, for > > > the server. > > > > You know that TW has still 32bit supportbut thats nothing for the server > > (IMO) > > I can not put a server that stays 24*7*52(+/-) on TW, and update every other > day, and break every other month... If that is all your worried about, I haven't had a "break" on tw for over a year. but I do use 13.1 for server and may keep doing so for some time yet. > I have been told by a friend that debian does have 32b version. Even an 8080 > version somewhere. > ___ > Evergreen mailing list > Evergreen@lists.rosenauer.org > http://lists.rosenauer.org/mailman/listinfo/evergreen -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net ___ Evergreen mailing list Evergreen@lists.rosenauer.org http://lists.rosenauer.org/mailman/listinfo/evergreen
Re: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01
On 23/10/2016 17:50, Axel Braun wrote: Am Sonntag, 23. Oktober 2016, 16:10:10 schrieb Carlos E. R.: how are the plans for openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01. Is there a change for a longer support of the current evergreen release? I'm daunted by the perspectives. Either I buy new 64 bit hardware to replace my old 32 bit hardware, or jump distro to something else, for the server. You know that TW has still 32bit supportbut thats nothing for the server (IMO) I can not put a server that stays 24*7*52(+/-) on TW, and update every other day, and break every other month... I have been told by a friend that debian does have 32b version. Even an 8080 version somewhere. ___ Evergreen mailing list Evergreen@lists.rosenauer.org http://lists.rosenauer.org/mailman/listinfo/evergreen
Re: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01
Am Sonntag, 23. Oktober 2016, 16:10:10 schrieb Carlos E. R.: > > how are the plans for openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01. Is there a change > > for a longer support of the current evergreen release? > > I'm daunted by the perspectives. Either I buy new 64 bit hardware to > replace my old 32 bit hardware, or jump distro to something else, for > the server. You know that TW has still 32bit supportbut thats nothing for the server (IMO) /Ax ___ Evergreen mailing list Evergreen@lists.rosenauer.org http://lists.rosenauer.org/mailman/listinfo/evergreen
Re: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01
On 2016-10-23 15:59, Sebastian Niemeyer wrote: > Hallo together, > > how are the plans for openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01. Is there a change for a > longer support of the current evergreen release? I'm daunted by the perspectives. Either I buy new 64 bit hardware to replace my old 32 bit hardware, or jump distro to something else, for the server. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Evergreen mailing list Evergreen@lists.rosenauer.org http://lists.rosenauer.org/mailman/listinfo/evergreen
[Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01
Hallo together, how are the plans for openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01. Is there a change for a longer support of the current evergreen release? Greetings Sebastian ___ Evergreen mailing list Evergreen@lists.rosenauer.org http://lists.rosenauer.org/mailman/listinfo/evergreen