Re: Science

2003-01-13 Thread Joao Leao
Ben Goertzel wrote: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. --Tim May One frustrating thing is that it seems almost arbitrary *which* unproven extraordinary claims are celebrated with attention and funding. The amount of attention paid to string theory perplexes me, for

Re: Science

2003-01-13 Thread John M
Dear Russell, your lines are enlightening to me. Some of them I find hard to accept, but you talk authoritatively so I give them my consideration. Our acquaintance goes further than on the NECSI list, you commented privately on my SciRel writing (missing the point, quite opposite to Tim, who saw

Re: Many Fermis Revisited

2003-01-13 Thread George Levy
Tim, Hal, Russell Since we have several futures ( and several pasts), time travel is just a particular case of many-world travel. Here is a (white) hared brained idea on how to build a time machine. You need a very good recording device and a Quantum Suicide (QS) machine. 1) You allow the

Re: Many Fermis Revisited

2003-01-13 Thread Tim May
On Monday, January 13, 2003, at 10:47 AM, George Levy wrote: Tim, Hal, Russell Since we have several futures ( and several pasts), time travel is just a particular case of many-world travel. I somewhat agree...and we are not the first to make this point. However, we need to be careful

Re: Many Fermis Revisited

2003-01-13 Thread George Levy
Tim May wrote If you mean that "many presents" have "many pasts," yes. But the current present only has a limited number of pasts, possibly just one. (The origin of this asymmetry in the lattice of events is related to our being in one present.) I mean one (many?) present has many

Claim: Only one past for a given present

2003-01-13 Thread Tim May
On Monday, January 13, 2003, at 12:38 PM, George Levy wrote: Tim May wrote If you mean that many presents have many pasts, yes. But the current present only has a limited number of pasts, possibly just one. (The origin of this asymmetry in the lattice of events is related to our being in

Re: Many Fermis Revisited

2003-01-13 Thread scerir
[George Levy] Here is a (white) hared brained idea on how to build a time machine. You need a very good recording device and a Quantum Suicide (QS) machine. For a simpler device see:http://www.fourmilab.ch/rpkp/chan-evid.html [Tim May] I am quite strongly persuaded that "many pasts for a

Re: Possible Worlds, Logic, and MWI

2003-01-13 Thread Wei Dai
On Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 08:54:38PM -0800, Tim May wrote: But in this, the only universe I will ever, ever have contact with, I optimize as best I can. And I assume all the myriad mes are doing the same in their universes, forever disconnected from mine. You're taking the question too

Re: Claim: Only one past for a given present

2003-01-13 Thread Jesse Mazer
Tim May wrote: On your point about many pasts are fundamentally caused by quantum uncertainty in memory devices, I strongly disagree. There is only one past for one present, whether RAMs dropped bits in recording them or historians forgot something, etc. (This is captured by the formalism of

Re: Science

2003-01-13 Thread Russell Standish
John M wrote: As to this list: - so far I missed the Ensemble theories of... before the everything, definitely did not associate it with TOE, which I always looked at with awe, because to draw a TOE we should know everything first. Looking at the progressing epistemic development of our

Re: Possible Worlds, Logic, and MWI

2003-01-13 Thread Wei Dai
Continuing with my last post... On Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 08:54:38PM -0800, Tim May wrote: Why would there be any reason to try to maximize the utility of this big picture? For those of us who don't even strive for the greatest good for the greatest number in a single-branch universe, why