The Sim's of Platonia ( was: Everything Physical is Based on Consciousness)

2005-05-07 Thread Brian Scurfield
Charles wrote: [Stephen] The perpetual question I have (about the epiphenomena problem that any form of Idealism has), regarding this notion of a Platonic Reality, is that IF all possible Forms of existence *exist* a priori - from the beginning - what necessitates any form of 1st

Re: Everything Physical is Based on Consciousness

2005-05-07 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Stephen Paul King wrote: Could I oppose the idea that consiousness is not Turing Emulable without being a biological chauvinist? ;-)The main problem I have is that these two assumptions are mutually exclusive! 1) Observer-moments exist: This requires that observer-moments have an

Announcement

2005-05-07 Thread Ti Bo
Hello, Note that Juergen Schmidhuber is talking at this event, it might be of interest to a few people on the list. There will be a stream, so you can watch it from a distance. Best, Tim Announcement:: Data Ecologies 05 To whom it may concern, could you please forward this announcement to

Re: Everything Physical is Based on Consciousness

2005-05-07 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Stathis, It is exactly this seeming requirement that we accept COMP by faith and demand no possibility of empirical falsification that troubles me the most. For me, a theory must make predictions that might be confirmed to be incorrect otherwise all one has, at best, is the internal

Re: The Sim's of Platonia ( was: Everything Physical is Based on Consciousness)

2005-05-07 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Brian, Don't we first have to establish that strings of ones and zeros can encode all of the basic structure that we would agree are necessary for consciousness? I still do not understand how one bitstring can encode necessity of the illusion of making a choice between eating Apples or

Re: Bitstrings, Ontological Status and Time

2005-05-07 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Jesse, I must apologize for my post last night, I had drunk a little too much beer. ;-) - Original Message - From: Jesse Mazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 12:24 AM Subject: Re: Bitstrings, Ontological Status

Re: Bitstrings, Ontological Status and Time

2005-05-07 Thread Hal Ruhl
Hi Stephen: At 04:37 PM 5/6/2005, you wrote: Dear Hal, No, I disagree. The mere a priori existence of bit strings is not enough to imply necessity that what we experience 1st person view points. At best it allows the possibility that the bit strings could be implemented. You see the problem

Re: Many worlds theory of immortality

2005-05-07 Thread aet.radal ssg
- Original Message - From: "Stathis Papaioannou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Many worlds theory of immortality Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 22:40:46 +1000 snip I don't see how you could get anywhere if you disregard the relationship between observer moments. It is

Re: Bitstrings, Ontological Status and Time

2005-05-07 Thread Hal Finney
Time is just a coordinate, in relativity theory. The time coordinate has an opposite sign to the space coordinates, and that subtle difference is responsible for all of the enormous apparent difference between space and time. Granted, relativity theory is not a complete and accurate

Re: Bitstrings, Ontological Status and Time

2005-05-07 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Hal, - Original Message - From: Hal Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 2:48 PM Subject: Re: Bitstrings, Ontological Status and Time Time is just a coordinate, in relativity theory. The time coordinate has an opposite sign to the

Re: Bitstrings, Ontological Status and Time

2005-05-07 Thread Jesse Mazer
Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Hal, [HF] Granted, relativity theory is not a complete and accurate specification of the world in which we live (that requires QM to be incorporated), but it is still a self-consistent model which illustrates how time can be dealt with mathematically in a uniform way

Re: Bitstrings, Ontological Status and Time

2005-05-07 Thread Hal Finney
Stephen Paul King writes: I would agree that Time is just a coordinate (system), or as Leibniz claimed an order of succession, if we are considering only events in space-time that we can specify, e.g. take as a posteriori. What I am trying to argue is that we can not do this in the a

quantum field theories are problematic

2005-05-07 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Jesse, I thought that you knew that there are serious problems with all known forms of QFT! See, for example: http://www.cgoakley.demon.co.uk/qft/ Stephen - Original Message - From: Jesse Mazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday,

RE: quantum field theories are problematic

2005-05-07 Thread Jesse Mazer
Stephen Paul King: Dear Jesse, I thought that you knew that there are serious problems with all known forms of QFT! See, for example: http://www.cgoakley.demon.co.uk/qft/ Yes, I've heard there are some conceptual problems with them, questions about whether the renormalization is

RE: quantum field theories are problematic

2005-05-07 Thread Brent Meeker
I think he is drawing an unwarranted conclusion. The fact that a physical clock must have finite extent doesn't mean it can't work. Diffeomorphism invariance is a requirement we impose on our theories to reflect the fact that choice of coordinates is a matter of description, not physics. To