Re: Many Pasts? Not according to QM...

2005-05-28 Thread Hal Finney
Stathis Papaioannou writes: More generally, if a person has N OM's available to him at time t1 and kN at time t2, does this mean he is k times as likely to find himself experiencing t2 as t1? I suggest that this is not the right way to look at it. A person only experiences one OM at a time,

Re: Many Pasts? Not according to QM...

2005-05-28 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Le Samedi 28 Mai 2005 07:21, Hal Finney a écrit : It is the same with all the examples. Causing more experiences of joy is better than causing more experiences of sadness. Even with the one person who lives from day to day, it still applies. He is not subjectively aware of his measure

Re: White Rabbit vs. Tegmark

2005-05-28 Thread Alastair Malcolm
- Original Message - From: Hal Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: 27 May 2005 19:19 Subject: RE: White Rabbit vs. Tegmark . . To summarize, logic is not a property of universes. It is a tool that our minds use to understand the world, including possible

Re: Many Pasts? Not according to QM...

2005-05-28 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Hal Finney writes: Stathis Papaioannou writes: More generally, if a person has N OM's available to him at time t1 and kN at time t2, does this mean he is k times as likely to find himself experiencing t2 as t1? I suggest that this is not the right way to look at it. A person only

Re: White Rabbit vs. Tegmark

2005-05-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 27-mai-05, à 20:19, Hal Finney a écrit : Brent Meeker writes: I doubt that the concept of logically possible has any absolute meaning. It is relative to which axioms and predicates are assumed. I agree but that is the reason why if we want to talk *about* or to find measure *on*

Re: Many Pasts? Not according to QM...

2005-05-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 28-mai-05, à 14:32, Saibal Mitra a écrit : I'm actually still with the ASSA. I agree that if there is no cul-de-sac, you can always redefine an observer moment by including the information that he has survived a suicide experiment. But I would consider that observer moment to have a

Re: What do you lose if you simply accept...

2005-05-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 22-mai-05, à 17:03, Stathis Papaioannou wrote (in part): The response of those who think that consciousness is nothing special to the above is that it is not surprising that there is a difference between a description of an object and the object itself, and that what I have called

RE: White Rabbit vs. Tegmark

2005-05-28 Thread Jonathan Colvin
Hal: To summarize, logic is not a property of universes. It is a tool that our minds use to understand the world, including possible universes. We may fail to think clearly or consistently or logically about what can and cannot exist, but that doesn't change the world out there.

RE: White Rabbit vs. Tegmark

2005-05-28 Thread Jonathan Colvin
Brent: I doubt that the concept of logically possible has any absolute meaning. It is relative to which axioms and predicates are assumed. That's rather the million-dollar question, isn't it? But isn't the multiverse limited in what axioms or predicates can be assumed? For instance,

Re: White Rabbit vs. Tegmark

2005-05-28 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Jonathan, Should we not expect Platonia to be Complete? Stephen - Original Message - From: Jonathan Colvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Everything-List' everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 1:30 PM Subject: RE: White Rabbit vs. Tegmark Brent: I doubt that the

RE: White Rabbit vs. Tegmark

2005-05-28 Thread Jonathan Colvin
Stephen: Should we not expect Platonia to be Complete? I'd like to think that it should not be (by Godel?); or that it is not completely self-computable in finite meta-time. Or some such. But that's more of a faith than a theory. Jonathan Colvin Brent: I doubt that the concept of