Re: Another tedious hypothetical

2005-06-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
I would say 0: 0. All a Coincidence (I don't see *big* coincidences) and then 5. I'm agnostic about what you talk about. I love the book by Suzanne Blackmore In search of the light because it shows parapsychology can be done seriously, but then the evidence are until today rather

RE: Hypotheses

2005-06-06 Thread rmiller
At 12:50 AM 6/6/2005, you wrote: A couple of hours ago, I was speaking to a young man who informed me that he can predict the future: he has visions or dreams, and they turn out to be true. I asked him for an example of this ability. He thought for a moment, explaining that there were

Re: Observer-Moment Measure from Universe Measure

2005-06-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Brent, Le 05-juin-05, à 13:21, Brent Meeker a écrit : -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 7:02 AM To: Hal Finney Cc: everything-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Observer-Moment Measure from Universe Measure Le 05-juin-05, à

RE: Another tedious hypothetical

2005-06-06 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
It sounds like an incredible coincidence, but you also have to take into account all the *other* stories which did not turn out to be anywhere near the truth. A long enough sequence of random data will always produce apparently non-random results. In fact, this seems counterintuitive to most

Re: Hypotheses

2005-06-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 06-juin-05, à 07:14, rmiller a écrit : Slip-ups aside, I would like to see a rigorous application of the powerful tools of philosophy, logic and mathematics applied to the study areas of social science, i.e. the real world. Physicists are great at telling us why the rings of Saturn have

Re: Observer-Moment Measure from Universe Measure

2005-06-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 05-juin-05, à 17:30, Stephen Paul King a écrit : FAR AWAY IN THE HEAVENLY ABODE OF THE GREAT GOD INDRA, THERE IS A WONDERFUL NET WHICH HAS BEEN HUNG BY SOME CUNNING ARTIFICER IN SUCH A MANNER THAT IT STRETCHES OUT INDEFINITELY IN ALL DIRECTIONS. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE EXTRAVAGANT TASTES

RE: Observer-Moment Measure from Universe Measure

2005-06-06 Thread Hal Finney
Stathis Papaioannou writes: Hal Finney writes: There are a few unintuitive consequences, though, such as that large instantiations of OMs will have more measure than small ones, and likewise slow ones will have more measure than fast ones. This is because in each case the interpretation

RE: Hypotheses

2005-06-06 Thread Brent Meeker
-Original Message- From: Stathis Papaioannou [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 5:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; everything-list@eskimo.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Hypotheses A couple of hours ago, I was speaking to a young man who informed me that he can

Re: MWI vs Multiverse

2005-06-06 Thread Hal Finney
Russell Standish writes: I was not aware of the Born rule having been derived multiple times (although I'm not too suprised if that is the case). Do you have any references? The Born rule is one of the things I derive in my Why Occam's paper. I just have a couple of recent references, but

Re: Questions on Russell's Why Occam paper

2005-06-06 Thread Patrick Leahy
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Russell Standish wrote: I am beginning to regret calling the all descriptions ensemble with uniform measure a Schmidhuber ensemble. I think what I meant was that it could be generated by a standard dovetailer algorithm, running for 2^\aleph_0 timesteps. It can't!

Re: Observer-Moment Measure from Universe Measure

2005-06-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 06-juin-05, à 01:40, Brent Meeker a écrit : What do you take to be the standard definition of knows? Is it X knows Y iff X believes Y is true and Y is true? That's the one by Theaetetus. Or do you include Gettier's amendment, X knows Y iff X believes Y is true and Y is true and There

RE: Observer-Moment Measure from Universe Measure

2005-06-06 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Hal Finney writes: Stathis Papaioannou writes: Hal Finney writes: There are a few unintuitive consequences, though, such as that large instantiations of OMs will have more measure than small ones, and likewise slow ones will have more measure than fast ones. This is because in each case

Re: objections to QTI

2005-06-06 Thread Norman Samish
Hal, I agree. It seems clear to me that the urge of nature to increase the entropy of the universe is the engine behind everything we see happening, including life and evolution. Why did life occur? Why, to increase the entropy of the universe! How did life occur? Well, you mix some

Re: objections to QTI

2005-06-06 Thread Jesse Mazer
Norman Samish wrote: If the universe started contracting, its entropy would get smaller, which nature doesn't allow in large-scale systems. This seems to me an argument in support of perpetual expansion. From what I've read, if the universe began contracting this would not necessarily

Re: objections to QTI

2005-06-06 Thread Patrick Leahy
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Jesse Mazer wrote: Norman Samish wrote: If the universe started contracting, its entropy would get smaller, which nature doesn't allow in large-scale systems. This seems to me an argument in support of perpetual expansion. From what I've read, if the universe began

Joining Post

2005-06-06 Thread daddycaylor
Hello everyone, I have an M.S. in Mathematics. I've done casual reading, e.g. The Loss of Certainty (Kline), The Emperor's New Mind (Penrose), The Elegant Universe (Greene),Pensees (Pascal), lots of papers online. Tom Caylor

Re: Against Fundamentalism!

2005-06-06 Thread daddycaylor
...but of courseexplanation is more fundamental than prediction. Tom Caylor-Original Message-From: Lee Corbin [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: everything-list@eskimo.comSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 10:24:42 -0700Subject: Against Fundamentalism! Hal Finney writes Lee Corbin writes: But in general,

where did the Big Bang come from?

2005-06-06 Thread Norman Samish
Norman Samish wrote: And where did this mysterious Big Bang come from? A quantum fluctuation of virtual particles I'm told. On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Jesse Mazer wrote: Whoever told you that was passing off speculation as fact--in fact there is no agreed-upon answer to the question of

RE: where did the Big Bang come from?

2005-06-06 Thread Jesse Mazer
Norman Samish wrote: Norman Samish wrote: And where did this mysterious Big Bang come from? A quantum fluctuation of virtual particles I'm told. On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Jesse Mazer wrote: Whoever told you that was passing off speculation as fact--in fact there is no agreed-upon answer

Re: Observer-Moment Measure from Universe Measure

2005-06-06 Thread Hal Finney
Johnathan Corgan writes: As I'm sure many on the list are familiar, David Brin's Kiln People is an interesting science fiction treatment of similar issues. It is an interesting story which helps to make some of our philosophical thought experiments more concrete. Making copies, destroying

Can the arrow of time reverse?

2005-06-06 Thread Norman Samish
Norman Samish wrote: If the universe started contracting, its entropy would get smaller, which nature doesn't allow in large-scale systems. This seems to me an argument in support of perpetual expansion. On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Jesse Mazer wrote: From what I've read, if the universe began

RE: where did the Big Bang come from?

2005-06-06 Thread Patrick Leahy
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Jesse Mazer wrote: Norman Samish wrote: Norman Samish wrote: And where did this mysterious Big Bang come from? A quantum fluctuation of virtual particles I'm told. On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Jesse Mazer wrote: Whoever told you that was passing off speculation as

Re: where did the Big Bang come from?

2005-06-06 Thread Saibal Mitra
- Original Message - From: Jesse Mazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 07:53 PM Subject: RE: where did the Big Bang come from? Norman Samish wrote: Norman Samish wrote: And where did this mysterious Big Bang

Re: Another tedious hypothetical

2005-06-06 Thread Pete Carlton
On Jun 5, 2005, at 11:14 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:I would say 0: 0. All a  Coincidence (I don't see *big* coincidences) and then 5.I'm agnostic about what you talk about. I love the book by Suzanne Blackmore "In search of the light" because it shows parapsychology can be done seriously, but then

Re: Another tedious hypothetical

2005-06-06 Thread rmiller
At 03:01 PM 6/6/2005, Pete Carlton wrote: (snip) The point is, there are enough stories published in any year that it would be a trivial matter to find a few superficial resemblances between any event and a story that came before it. my second comment. . .if it's such a trivial matter, then

RE: Can the arrow of time reverse?

2005-06-06 Thread Jesse Mazer
Norman Samish: Norman Samish wrote: If the universe started contracting, its entropy would get smaller, which nature doesn't allow in large-scale systems. This seems to me an argument in support of perpetual expansion. On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Jesse Mazer wrote: From what I've read, if the

Re: Another tedious hypothetical

2005-06-06 Thread Pete Carlton
Jesse has it right on here, and one can go even further in this vein.  You are impressed by the relationship between one particular story and one particular event - but you hand-picked both the story and the event for discussion here because of their superficial similarities.  You challenged me to

Re: Another tedious hypothetical

2005-06-06 Thread rmiller
At 03:58 PM 6/6/2005, you wrote: rmiller wrote: At 03:01 PM 6/6/2005, Pete Carlton wrote: (snip) The point is, there are enough stories published in any year that it would be a trivial matter to find a few superficial resemblances between any event and a story that came before it. Let's

Re: Questions on Russell's Why Occam paper

2005-06-06 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 12:06:06PM +0100, Patrick Leahy wrote: On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Russell Standish wrote: I am beginning to regret calling the all descriptions ensemble with uniform measure a Schmidhuber ensemble. I think what I meant was that it could be generated by a standard

Re: Questions on Russell's Why Occam paper

2005-06-06 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 01:51:36PM -0700, Hal Finney wrote: Another area I had trouble with in Russell's answer was the concept of a prefix map. I understand that a prefix map is defined as a mapping whose domain is finite bit strings such that none of them are a prefix of any other. But

Re: Against Fundamentalism!

2005-06-06 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 12:40:03PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...but of course explanation is more fundamental than prediction. Tom Caylor I wouldn't say that! Both of these properties are orthogonal to each other. Typical scientific theories exist on a tradeoff curve (Pareto front

Re: Another tedious hypothetical

2005-06-06 Thread rmiller
At 06:56 PM 6/6/2005, you wrote: Jesse has it right on here, and one can go even further in this vein. You are impressed by the relationship between one particular story and one particular event - but you hand-picked both the story and the event for discussion here because of their superficial

Re: Another tedious hypothetical

2005-06-06 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Pete Carlton wrote: Jesse has it right on here, and one can go even further in this vein. You are impressed by the relationship between one particular story and one particular event - but you hand-picked both the story and the event for discussion here because of their superficial

Re: Against Fundamentalism!

2005-06-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
Welcome to the list Tom, I agree with you. Explanation is much more important. It is also much more difficult to agree on what *is* a good explanation. Prediction could remain important, at least in principle, to possibly destroy our favorite explanation, or to put doubt on them. Have you read