Re: Kaboom

2005-08-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Aug 2005, at 05:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:The misinterpretations compounded and intermingled so much I decided to cut to the meat of it.. I suspect that this dialogue will end in the usual way. Being ignoredThe well worn path of COMP and all the things it says, the idea that a

Re: subjective reality

2005-08-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Aug 2005, at 18:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:[GK]  You ARE doing something speculative whether you admit it or not! And I don't really have to study your argument because  it is derived from premises that, you already admitted, are incompatible with the conclusions you claim. Please explain

How did it all begin?

2005-08-30 Thread Saibal Mitra
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0508429 Tegmark's essay was not well received (perhaps Godfrey didn't like it? :-) ) How did it all begin? Authors: Max Tegmark Comments: 6 pages, 6 figs, essay for 2005 Young Scholars Competition in honor of Charles Townes; received Dishonorable Mention How did

Re: subjective reality

2005-08-30 Thread kurtleegod
Hi Russell, Still have not had a chance to look up your book but hope to do so shortly. Godfrey Kurtz (New Brunswick, NJ) -Original Message- From: Russell Standish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:44:00

Re: subjective reality

2005-08-30 Thread kurtleegod
-Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:01:42 +0200 Subject: Re: subjective reality On 29 Aug 2005, at 18:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [GK] You ARE doing something speculative whether you

Re: Kaboom

2005-08-30 Thread kurtleegod
Bruno, I don't quite follow Colin's objections to your derivation but since you mention me here I have to point out that he clearly read a lot more of it than I ever did. So you are being unfair in comparing us in this. He also appears a lot more annoyed with you than I am... Godfrey Kurtz

Re: subjective reality

2005-08-30 Thread Hal Finney
I wade into this dispute with trepidation, because I think it is for the most part incomprehensible. But I believe I see one place where there was a miscommunication and I hope to clear it up. Godfrey Kurtz wrote, to Bruno Marchal: You ARE doing something speculative whether you admit it or

Re: How did it all begin?

2005-08-30 Thread Norman Samish
This is a teaser. Why did Tegmark's paper receive Dishonorable Mention? Who is Godfrey? - Original Message - From: Saibal Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:14 AM Subject: How did it all begin?

Re: subjective reality

2005-08-30 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 10:26:46AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [GK] You ARE doing something speculative whether you admit it or not! And I don't really have to study your argument because it is derived from premises that, you already admitted, are incompatible with the

Re: Kaboom

2005-08-30 Thread Russell Standish
I think this is a classic example of the problem of 'isms. In your dichotomy below, I believe the wave function does indeed encode the state of our knowledge - I say as much in my book. Yet I would say my ensemble-based approach is Platonic, not Positivist. Hmm, which am I, Platonist or

Re: subjective reality

2005-08-30 Thread Brent Meeker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:01:42 +0200 Subject: Re: subjective reality On 29 Aug 2005, at 18:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are also speculating