Re: Probability

2008-11-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Nov 2008, at 02:37, Thomas Laursen wrote: Hi everyone, I am a complete layman but still got the illusion that maybe one day I would be able to understand the probability part of MW if explained in a simple way. I know it's the most controversal part of MW and that there are several

Re: QTI euthanasia (brouillon)

2008-11-06 Thread Günther Greindl
Hello Bruno, More exactly: I can conceive fake policemen in paper are not conscious, and that is all I need to accept I can be fail by some zombie. Thus I can conceive zombies. Ok, but conceivability does not entail possibilty. I think philosophical zombies are impossible (=not able to

Re: QTI euthanasia (brouillon)

2008-11-06 Thread Michael Rosefield
Isn't a zombie equivalent to, say, a spreadsheet that doesn't really perform the proper calculations, but produces all the right answers for all the data and functions you happen to put in? It seems like such an elaborate con-job is far more inefficient and intensive (and pointlessly so) once you

Re: Probability

2008-11-06 Thread rmiller
At 10:54 AM 11/6/2008, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Nov 2008, at 02:37, Thomas Laursen wrote: Hi everyone, I am a complete layman but still got the illusion that maybe one day I would be able to understand the probability part of MW if explained in a simple way. I know it's the most

Re: Probability

2008-11-06 Thread Thomas Laursen
Many thanks for your answers, Anna and Bruno. Although I don't grap much since I'm not familiar with maths or physics on a higher level. Like rmiller suggests: consider me as an bright child (age 41 :-) But maybe probability in MW is not really explainabel in everyday language? First of all, I

Re: Probability

2008-11-06 Thread A. Wolf
language? In the latter probably just means likely to happen but if EVERYTHING happens then how can the concept make sense? I guess it must be two different concepts, then? No, not necessarily. There are two ways that probability can play a real role in MW. This is no different from how it

Re: QTI euthanasia (brouillon)

2008-11-06 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:52 AM, Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jason, Le 04-nov.-08, à 23:21, Jason Resch a écrit : although I agree with Brent, if the simulated world in the computer is entirely cut off from causal effects of the physical world where the computer is

Re: Probability

2008-11-06 Thread George Levy
Hi I haven't contributed to the list recently but probability is a topic that interests me and which I discussed several years ago. I have a relativist interpretation of the MW. To apply Probabilities to the MW _every probability should be stated as a conditional probability, that is

Re: QTI euthanasia (brouillon)

2008-11-06 Thread Kory Heath
On Nov 5, 2008, at 3:51 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Just consider the computation which correspond to your actual real life. That computation is encoded (indeed an infinity of times) in the Universal Deploiement, which is itself encoded (indeed an infinity of times) in the set of all