Re: Altered states of consciousness

2009-04-03 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/4/3 Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com: But if you're going to derive physics from consciousness you need to explain what connects across the gap - why is it still you.  I appreciate that part of the answer is memories, although Bruno seems to think they are inessential.  But even if

Re: Altered states of consciousness

2009-04-03 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2009/4/3 Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com: But if you're going to derive physics from consciousness you need to explain what connects across the gap - why is it still you. I appreciate that part of the answer is memories, although Bruno seems to think

Re: Altered states of consciousness

2009-04-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Apr 2009, at 13:23, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2009/4/2 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: I would say that if you are at a fork where one version of you loses all memories and another does not, then you will find yourself going down the no memory loss path. At which point? Also,

Re: Altered states of consciousness

2009-04-03 Thread John Mikes
Brent, I read this discussion and 'try' not to get involved (never succeedG). * Ourselves w/wout our memories? what else? These terms come from the ancient religious fable about a 'soul' - the person in the faith-domain. Even the old Indians made 'reincarnation' hazy without memories and the only

Re: Altered states of consciousness

2009-04-03 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/4/4 Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com: I have been using the term memories to include more than just long term memories. For example, I have a feeling of being me which persists from moment to moment. Even though I can't put this feeling into words, I would know immediately if

Re: Altered states of consciousness

2009-04-03 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/4/4 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: The probability that I go from state A to state B is given by the number of computations going from A to B. The problem with amnesic teleportation, that is teleportation with partial amnesia in the reconstituted person, is that it introduce a

Dual Aspect Science

2009-04-03 Thread Colin Hales
Hi folks, I am finally getting somewhere. My paper has just been published. : Hales, C. 'Dual Aspect Science', Journal of Consciousness Studies vol. 16, no. 2-3, 2009. 30-73. Under dual aspect science exploration and deliverables take on two fundamental forms: Laws-of-appearance ( = T,

Re: Altered states of consciousness

2009-04-03 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2009/4/4 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: The probability that I go from state A to state B is given by the number of computations going from A to B. The problem with amnesic teleportation, that is teleportation with partial amnesia in the reconstituted