Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-07-09 Thread Rex Allen
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 12:02 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/8/2011 8:08 PM, Rex Allen wrote: On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 11:01 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/8/2011 7:35 PM, Constantine Pseudonymous wrote: it makes so much sense. the doctrine of physicalism is

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-07-09 Thread meekerdb
...the only theoretical construct that could possibly matter in this case would be one derived from experience and is intrinsically realizable through a certain methodology. You didn't say anything about idealistic. Derived from experience and intrinsically realizable sounds like the

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-07-09 Thread meekerdb
On 7/8/2011 11:35 PM, Rex Allen wrote: In other words: What do we make of the fact that these predictions were successful (or not)? What does this mean with respect to our beliefs about what kinds of things exist? The things we take to exist are the elements of our successful models.

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-07-09 Thread Rex Allen
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 2:47 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/8/2011 11:35 PM, Rex Allen wrote: In other words:  What do we make of the fact that these predictions were  successful (or not)?  What does this mean with respect to our beliefs about  what kinds of things exist?

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-07-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Jul 2011, at 23:33, meekerdb wrote: On 7/8/2011 2:04 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The usual analogy is that your mind is your software, and your brain is the main operating system. It is obviously Turing universal (once you know the definition and think a little bit), and the comp

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-07-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Jul 2011, at 06:06, meekerdb wrote: On 7/8/2011 8:57 PM, B Soroud wrote: I'm saying that perhaps the philosophic foundations and presupps of physics are erroneous and something alternative is needed... I am saying we need to ground physics in an idealist metaphysics That's where my

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-07-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Jul 2011, at 07:07, Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote: Down the bottom if you dare there be dragons... :-) -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jason Resch Sent: Sat 7/9/2011 1:23 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: COMP

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-07-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Jul 2011, at 09:10, Russell Standish wrote: On Fri, Jul 08, 2011 at 11:04:56PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Jul 2011, at 03:39, B Soroud wrote: I mean if you went back to classical greece... or classical india could it have been predicted or shown to deduced? Excellent

Re: Bruno's blasphemy.

2011-07-09 Thread Craig Weinberg
Sure, it would be great to have improved synthetic bodies, but I have no reason to believe that depth and quality of consciousness is independent from substance. If I have an artificial heart, that artificiality may not affect me as much as having an artificial leg, however, an artificial brain

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-07-09 Thread Constantine Pseudonymous
Bruno, I'm not exactly sure what you mean by vitalism but if its what I have in mind. then it died erroneously. I don't think notions of qi and prana are without foundation far from it. There is a sense in which, if vitalism died, that was a mistake but I am not exactly sure of

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-07-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Jul 2011, at 19:06, Constantine Pseudonymous wrote: Bruno, I'm not exactly sure what you mean by vitalism but if its what I have in mind. then it died erroneously. I don't think notions of qi and prana are without foundation far from it. There is a sense in which, if

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-07-09 Thread meekerdb
On 7/9/2011 12:00 AM, Rex Allen wrote: On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 2:47 AM, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/8/2011 11:35 PM, Rex Allen wrote: In other words: What do we make of the fact that these predictions were successful (or not)? What does this mean with

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-07-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Jul 2011, at 06:02, meekerdb wrote: On 7/8/2011 8:08 PM, Rex Allen wrote: On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 11:01 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/8/2011 7:35 PM, Constantine Pseudonymous wrote: it makes so much sense. the doctrine of physicalism is in the least on the same

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-07-09 Thread B Soroud
if you really believe in reality you should commit suicide... if a reality remains there is reality if no reality remains... well then all is base stupidity. On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 5:10 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 09 Jul 2011, at 06:06, meekerdb wrote: On

Re: Bruno's blasphemy.

2011-07-09 Thread Craig Weinberg
How is it you are so sure that the organization is only part of it? Because it makes sense to me that organization cannot create functions which are not inherent potentials of whatever it is you are organizing. It doesn't matter how many ping pong balls you have or how you organize them, even if