Re: Bruno's blasphemy.

2011-07-20 Thread 1Z
On Jul 8, 12:59 am, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 10:12:45PM -0700, meekerdb wrote: One that happens to be incompatible with theory that our minds are computer programs. Can you explain that?  It seems to be Bruno's central claim, but so far as I

Re: Bruno's blasphemy.

2011-07-20 Thread 1Z
On Jul 8, 5:53 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 08 Jul 2011, at 02:35, meekerdb wrote: On 7/7/2011 4:59 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 10:12:45PM -0700, meekerdb wrote: One that happens to be incompatible with theory that our minds are computer

Re: Bruno's blasphemy.

2011-07-20 Thread 1Z
On Jul 6, 12:44 pm, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: Constantine, this is a rather trollish comment coming from an ignorant position. Let me put the following gedanken experiment - consider the possibility that T. Rex might be either green or blue creatures, and that either

Re: Bruno's blasphemy.

2011-07-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Jul 2011, at 15:21, 1Z wrote: On Jul 8, 5:53 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 08 Jul 2011, at 02:35, meekerdb wrote: On 7/7/2011 4:59 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 10:12:45PM -0700, meekerdb wrote: One that happens to be incompatible with

Re: Bruno's blasphemy.

2011-07-20 Thread ronaldheld
Bruno: You may be correct that it is only an intellectual exercise. How many lines of LISP code comprises the UD? I may have been infomally exposed to LISP in college, but that was decades ago. Ronald On Jul 20, 5:01 am, Bruno Marchal

Re: bruno list

2011-07-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
What does consciousness require? On Jul 20, 3:07 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/20/2011 11:40 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Chickens can walk around for a while without a head also. It doesn't mean that air is a viable substitute for a head, and it doesn't mean that the head

Re: bruno list

2011-07-20 Thread meekerdb
On 7/20/2011 2:59 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: What does consciousness require? Interaction with the world. Information processing. Memory. A point of view; i.e. model of the world including self. Purpose/values. Brent On Jul 20, 3:07 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote: On

Re: bruno list

2011-07-20 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 4:40 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Chickens can walk around for a while without a head also. It doesn't mean that air is a viable substitute for a head, and it doesn't mean that the head isn't producing a different quality of awareness than it does

Re: bruno list

2011-07-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
Sounds like a fancy cash register to me. On Jul 20, 6:14 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/20/2011 2:59 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: What does consciousness require? Interaction with the world.  Information processing.  Memory.  A point of view; i.e. model of the world including

Re: bruno list

2011-07-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
Since it's not possible to know what the point of view of biological neurons would be, we can't rule out the contents of the cell. You can't presume to know that behavior is independent of context. If you consider the opposite scenario, at what point do you consider a microelectronic configuration

Re: bruno list

2011-07-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
Or, imagine you were to replace a city with empty cars that drive the streets following sophisticated models of urban traffic. Is a group of empty buildings that produce empty cars which drive around the streets convincingly a city? On Jul 20, 6:58 pm, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com