On Jul 8, 12:59 am, Russell Standish <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 10:12:45PM -0700, meekerdb wrote: > > >One that happens to be incompatible with > > >theory that our minds are computer programs. > > > Can you explain that? It seems to be Bruno's central claim, but so > > far as I can see he only tries to prove that a physical reality is > > otiose. > > > Brent > > Here's my take on it. I guess you read the version I wrote 6 years ago > in ToN. > > Once you allow the existence of a universal dovetailer, we are far > more likely to be running on the dovetailer (which is a simple > program) than on a much more complicated program (such as simulating > the universe as we currently see it). Under COMP, the dovetailer is > capable of generating all possible experiences (which is why it is > universal). Therefore, everything we call physics (electrons, quarks, > electromagnetic fields, etc) is phenomena caused by the running of the > dovetailer. By Church-Turing thesis, the dovetailer could be running > on anything capable of supporting universal computation. To use > Kantian terminology, what the dovetailer runs on is the noumenon, > unknowable reality,
If it is unknowable, we don't know the UD is running on it. So I don't accept the existence of a UD. > which need have no connection which the phenomenon > we observe. In fact with the CT-thesis, we cannot even know which > noumenon we're running on, in the case there may be more than one. We > might just as well be running on some demigod's child's playstation, > as running on Platonic arithmetic. It is in principle unknowable, even > by any putative omniscient God - there is simply no matter of fact > there to know. Hurrah for Occam! > So ultimately, this is why Bruno eliminates the concrete dovetailer, > in the manner of Laplace eliminating God "Sire, je n'ai besoin de cet > hypothese". And why i reject the abstract dovetailer. > Anyway, Bruno will no doubt correct any mistaken conceptions here :). > > Cheers > > -- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) > Principal, High Performance Coders > Visiting Professor of Mathematics [email protected] > University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
