Re: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation

2011-10-27 Thread Nick Prince
[SPK] > > It seems to me that we have to take the environment of the system > >> into account, so we have to have a {environment> in the equation, no? > >> From what I can tell, cul de sac's would have 3p consequences that > >> would have an effect on the distribution of branches. Maybe we s

Re: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation

2011-10-27 Thread meekerdb
On 10/27/2011 4:56 PM, Nick Prince wrote: With comp, and I think with QM, there is no escapes from being conscious, in a way or another. I don't like that, but then it is a consequence of those theories. Have you never been unconscious? Concussion? Anesthesia? Brent -- You received this mes

Re: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation

2011-10-27 Thread Nick Prince
[BM] The QTI, or the more general comp immortality, or arithmetical immortality is a complex subject, if only because it depends on what you mean by "you". [NP] Can you be more specific on this? [BM] Do you know Kripke semantic? A Kripke frame is just a set (of elements called worlds) with an

Re: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation

2011-10-27 Thread meekerdb
On 10/27/2011 3:26 PM, Nick Prince wrote: [SPK] Are we sure that this ordering, at the level of the state vectors, really matters? We are, after all, only considering observables that mutually commute and thus ordering should be irrelevant. [NP] Hi Stephen. I stressed the order because it

Re: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation

2011-10-27 Thread Nick Prince
[SPK] Are we sure that this ordering, at the level of the state vectors, > really matters? We are, after all, only considering observables that > mutually commute and thus ordering should be irrelevant. > [NP] Hi Stephen. I stressed the order because it is how the cat perceives events and there

Re: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation

2011-10-27 Thread Nick Prince
[JR] I think such cul de sacs exist only from third person perspectives. E.g., the experimenter's view of what happens to the cat. When considering the perspective from the first person (cat) perspective, there are no cul de sacs for a much simpler reason: The cat might be mistaken, dreaming, or e

Re: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation

2011-10-27 Thread Nick Prince
[CW] I can't help with that unfortunately. My own TOE explains why QM may be a misinterpretation to begin with (even though the observations and predictions of QM are of course valid). [NP] Ok thanks for your comments Craig. I would be interested in your TOE. If you have explained it on this

Re: Blindsight crushes absent qualia?

2011-10-27 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Oct 27, 12:11 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > >> Indirectly, the larynx must be connected to the optic nerve or we > >> wouldn't be able to describe what we see. Is that not obvious? > > > Indirectly everything is connected to everythin

Re: Blindsight crushes absent qualia?

2011-10-27 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> Indirectly, the larynx must be connected to the optic nerve or we >> wouldn't be able to describe what we see. Is that not obvious? > > Indirectly everything is connected to everything. The foot is > connected to the ass indirectly too. So

Re: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation

2011-10-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 26 Oct 2011, at 01:00, Nick Prince wrote: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation I’m trying to get a picture of how David Deutsch’s idea of differentiation works – especially in relation to QTI. With a standard treatment it looks as if there might be cul de sacs for a dying cat. However I

Re: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation

2011-10-27 Thread Stephen P. King
On 10/25/2011 7:00 PM, Nick Prince wrote: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation I’m trying to get a picture of how David Deutsch’s idea of differentiation works – especially in relation to QTI. With a standard treatment it looks as if there might be cul de sacs for a dying cat. However I thin

Re: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation

2011-10-27 Thread benjayk
Jason Resch-2 wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Nick Prince > wrote: > >> QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation >> >> I’m trying to get a picture of how David Deutsch’s idea of >> differentiation works – especially in relation to QTI. With a >> standard treatment it looks as if there