Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Nov 2013, at 05:00, meekerdb wrote: On 11/22/2013 5:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/21/2013 1:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:20, Richard Ruquist wrote: Chief Supreme Court Justice Marshall

RE: Global warming silliness

2013-11-23 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 10:32 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Global warming silliness On 11/22/2013 7:03 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: From:

Re: Belief vs Truth

2013-11-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Nov 2013, at 07:09, Chris de Morsella wrote: From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 9:11 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Belief vs Truth On 11/22/2013 3:24 PM, John

RE: Belief vs Truth

2013-11-23 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 1:14 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Belief vs Truth On 23 Nov 2013, at 07:09, Chris de Morsella wrote: From:

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Nov 2013, at 07:42, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 4:09 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 21 Nov 2013, at 18:55, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 21 Nov 2013, at 15:50, Jason Resch

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 5:00 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/22/2013 5:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/21/2013 1:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:20, Richard Ruquist wrote: Chief

ai and atheism

2013-11-23 Thread Roger Clough
What I find curious is that so much time and vitriol is spent on the web attacking theism, while so much money is spent on ai and computers to simulate humans, when nobody has ever shown or proven that computers can be conscious. Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site

Atheism is wish fuklfillment.

2013-11-23 Thread Roger Clough
Atheism is wish fulfillment. Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

Athism is wish fuklfillment.

2013-11-23 Thread Roger Clough
Athism is wish fulfillment. Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-23 Thread Roger Clough
Atheism is wish fulfillment. Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

Re: ai and atheism

2013-11-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: What I find curious is that so much time and vitriol is spent on the web attacking theism, while so much money is spent on ai and computers to simulate humans, when nobody has ever shown or proven that computers can be

Why analytic (British) philosophy (Bertrand Russell) has led humanity and ai astray

2013-11-23 Thread Roger Clough
Analytic (British) philosophy (Bertrand Russell, Anthony Flew. etc.) has led humanity and ai astray, because it limits philosophy to word and logic puzzles. Thus it cannot tell us about experiential human affairs such as consciousness and true ai. However, continental philsophy can.

Why analytic philosophers are atheists and materialists

2013-11-23 Thread Roger Clough
Analytic (British) philosophy (Bertrand Russell, Anthony Flew. etc.) has led humanity and ai astray, because it limits philosophy to word and logic puzzles and thus legitimizes atheism and materialism. Humanity has been sold short because British analytical philosophy cannot tell us about

Re: Belief vs Truth

2013-11-23 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2013/11/23 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be On 23 Nov 2013, at 07:09, Chris de Morsella wrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [ mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com everything-list@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *meekerdb *Sent:* Friday, November 22, 2013 9:11 PM *To:*

Re: Belief vs Truth

2013-11-23 Thread Alberto G. Corona
the factual notions of truth and existence are linked by the notion that what is true kick back and what kick back can render you nonexistent at the moment `t +1` if you negate its truth at the moment `t`. Now natural selection can make the units of time really really long. So it is not a

Re: ai and atheism

2013-11-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Nov 2013, at 13:27, Roger Clough wrote: What I find curious is that so much time and vitriol is spent on the web attacking theism, while so much money is spent on ai and computers to simulate humans, when nobody has ever shown or proven that computers can be conscious. Nor has

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Nov 2013, at 14:05, Roger Clough wrote: Atheism is wish fulfillment. Yes. Notably. I agree. It is the fuzzy belief that the Christian God does not exist, together with the belief in the Christian Matter. The debate between Atheists and Christians hides the deeper debate

Re: Why analytic (British) philosophy (Bertrand Russell) has led humanity and ai astray

2013-11-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Nov 2013, at 15:27, Roger Clough wrote: Analytic (British) philosophy (Bertrand Russell, Anthony Flew. etc.) has led humanity and ai astray, because it limits philosophy to word and logic puzzles. Thus it cannot tell us about experiential human affairs such as consciousness and true

Re: Belief vs Truth

2013-11-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Nov 2013, at 16:30, Alberto G. Corona wrote: 2013/11/23 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be On 23 Nov 2013, at 07:09, Chris de Morsella wrote: From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013

Re: Belief vs Truth

2013-11-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Nov 2013, at 16:47, Alberto G. Corona wrote: the factual notions of truth and existence are linked by the notion that what is true kick back and what kick back can render you nonexistent at the moment `t +1` if you negate its truth at the moment `t`. Now natural selection can

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 2:40 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/22/2013 11:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:00 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/22/2013 5:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM, meekerdb

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-23 Thread meekerdb
On 11/23/2013 3:42 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 5:00 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/22/2013 5:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/21/2013 1:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Nov 2013, at

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-23 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *John Clark *Sent:* Friday, November 22, 2013 12:43 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re:

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-23 Thread John Mikes
Bruno wrote: *...Health should separate from the State, like the Church.* I respectfully disagree. Health care is a societal duty to be provided for those unfortunate who are not capable of covering their needs - like the poor, dependants of sick people, old folks (the last two only if they do

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 7:23 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/23/2013 3:42 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 5:00 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/22/2013 5:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:23 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/23/2013 3:42 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 5:00 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/22/2013 5:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net

RE: Global warming silliness

2013-11-23 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 10:55 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Global warming silliness On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Chris de Morsella

Fwd: Geminoid replicator

2013-11-23 Thread meekerdb
From another list: Conway's life not only lives - now it can evolve. Brent Original Message Dave Green has put together a replicator for Conway Life. He has several versions. The smallest, fastest, has a bounding box of 3.7M^2, and takes 89M ticks to make a copy. If I'm

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-23 Thread meekerdb
On 11/23/2013 2:21 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:23 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/23/2013 3:42 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 5:00 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Nov 23, 2013, at 10:19 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/23/2013 2:21 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:23 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/23/2013 3:42 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 5:00 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-23 Thread meekerdb
On 11/23/2013 9:40 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Nov 23, 2013, at 10:19 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/23/2013 2:21 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:23 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On