Re: Reconciling Random Neuron Firings and Fading Qualia

2015-05-28 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 29 May 2015 at 00:09, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 10:55 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 01:23:20PM +1000, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: A stroke results in objective and subjective changes, such as the

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-28 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Seems to be Gaia flatulences 2015-05-28 11:22 GMT+02:00 LizR lizj...@gmail.com: Apparently the Last Trump is being heard around the world... http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/what-is-causing-the-strange-trumpet-sounds-in-the-sky-all-over-the-world -- You received this message

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-28 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
A blast from the past. Wasn't it Robert Heinlein who wrote, one man's theology is another man's belly laugh? -Original Message- From: Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, May 28, 2015 3:26 pm Subject: Re: Samiya proved

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-05-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 May 2015, at 14:53, LizR wrote: On 28 May 2015 at 22:03, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: LizR wrote: On 26 May 2015 at 16:59, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: LizR wrote: On 26 May 2015 at 05:45, John Clark

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-05-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 May 2015, at 12:03, Bruce Kellett wrote: LizR wrote: On 26 May 2015 at 16:59, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: LizR wrote: On 26 May 2015 at 05:45, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com Of that I have no opinion because

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-28 Thread Samiya Illias
Liz, The Quran speaks of one single blast which will kill and destroy everything, and another which will cause resurrection. When that is to occur, only God has knowledge of it. However, we have been informed that it is approaching closer and closer. The article you quoted has Biblical quotes.

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-05-28 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Well simply put, action reaction. There may be a rudimentary level of consciousness, a basis, a basement. Food, seek, reproduce, etc. That applies to shrooms bacteria insects chipmunks. So an ameoba may be no less conscious, or more, than a kangaroo rat-all the same. Sent from AOL Mobile

Re: Reconciling Random Neuron Firings and Fading Qualia

2015-05-28 Thread Terren Suydam
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 4:20 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 28 May 2015, at 05:16, Terren Suydam wrote: Language starts to get in the way here, but what you're suggesting is akin to someone who is blind-drunk - they will have no memory of their experience, but I think most

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 May 2015, at 13:53, Kim Jones wrote: http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2013/04/13/aquiess-international-inc-electromagnetic-rainmaking-technology/ To make rain!? At least this would explain why we don't hear those trumpet sounds in Belgium ... Bruno On 28 May 2015, at 9:47

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-05-28 Thread John Clark
On Thu, May 28, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: But citing Bruno Marchal as an authority is valid?? If you say one thing and Wolfram says another I'll put my money on Wolfram. Wolfram is not an expert in logic. And as has been demonstrated many times neither is Bruno Marchal.

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-05-28 Thread John Clark
On Thu, May 28, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Church's thesis is not related to physics at all I see. Church's thesis says that any problem in physics can be calculated on a Turing Machine, a device made of matter that obeys the laws of physics; but Church's thesis is not

Re: Reconciling Random Neuron Firings and Fading Qualia

2015-05-28 Thread LizR
On 29 May 2015 at 02:09, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: To be clear, Chalmers didn't say fading qualia were implied, he said if consciousness is not present in an artificial brain that it follows that during a neuron-by-neuron replacement a biological brain would eventually become an

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-28 Thread LizR
On 29 May 2015 at 07:26, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: Liz, The Quran speaks of one single blast which will kill and destroy everything, and another which will cause resurrection. When that is to occur, only God has knowledge of it. However, we have been informed that it is

Re: Reconciling Random Neuron Firings and Fading Qualia

2015-05-28 Thread LizR
On 29 May 2015 at 10:52, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: A good summary. I think the argument is even stronger than Chalmers claims. Fading qualia would mean consciousness did not exist (which apparently not everyone thinks is absurd), Indeed not. Brent implied it in a recent

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-05-28 Thread LizR
Yes that has been my experience too. Consciousness seems indivisible, like an electron. On 29 May 2015 at 12:29, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Operation, anesthesia, Pop! Awakening. That is my experience, I cease, then assemble, I am me. Resurrection.

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-05-28 Thread LizR
On 29 May 2015 at 06:14, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Well simply put, action reaction. There may be a rudimentary level of consciousness, a basis, a basement. Food, seek, reproduce, etc. That applies to shrooms bacteria insects chipmunks. So an

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-28 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Was it Time Enough for Love, Friday, or The Number of the Beast? -Original Message- From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, May 28, 2015 7:40 pm Subject: Re: Samiya proved right On 29 May 2015 at 09:59, spudboy100 via

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-28 Thread LizR
You mean the yes boss ? TEFL I think. They were getting far less readable after SIASL (TMIAHM was OK I seem to remember, but by the 60s he was getting away from those short snappy stories I grew up on). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-28 Thread LizR
On 29 May 2015 at 09:59, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: A blast from the past. Wasn't it Robert Heinlein who wrote, one man's theology is another man's belly laugh? It sounds like him, although I seem to recall he got more religious in his old age. Or

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-05-28 Thread LizR
On 29 May 2015 at 06:13, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 28 May 2015, at 14:53, LizR wrote: On 28 May 2015 at 22:03, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: LizR wrote: On 26 May 2015 at 16:59, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-05-28 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Operation, anesthesia, Pop! Awakening. That is my experience, I cease, then assemble, I am me. Resurrection. -Original Message- From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, May 28, 2015 8:00 pm Subject: Re: The scope of physical law and

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-28 Thread Samiya Illias
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 7:38 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 May 2015 at 07:26, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: Liz, The Quran speaks of one single blast which will kill and destroy everything, and another which will cause resurrection. When that is to occur, only God

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-05-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 May 2015, at 19:36, John Clark wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Citing Wolfram is a per-authority argument. That is not valid. But citing Bruno Marchal as an authority is valid?? If you say one thing and Wolfram says another I'll put my money on

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-05-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 May 2015, at 02:18, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 06:28:58PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 May 2015, at 17:48, John Clark wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: The Church-Turing thesis says something about intelligence but not

Re: Reconciling Random Neuron Firings and Fading Qualia

2015-05-28 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 28 May 2015 at 13:55, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 01:23:20PM +1000, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: A stroke results in objective and subjective changes, such as the inability to move a limb, understand language or see. These are gross examples of

Re: Reconciling Random Neuron Firings and Fading Qualia

2015-05-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 May 2015, at 05:16, Terren Suydam wrote: Language starts to get in the way here, but what you're suggesting is akin to someone who is blind-drunk - they will have no memory of their experience, but I think most would say a blind-drunk is conscious. But I think the driving scenario

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-28 Thread Kim Jones
https://www.facebook.com/MrDiscontinuity/posts/978314172187161 On 28 May 2015, at 9:44 pm, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: It's the sound made by geoengineering - firing electromagnetic pulse waves into the atmosphere to affect weather change. HAARP. And other things they

Samiya proved right

2015-05-28 Thread LizR
Apparently the Last Trump is being heard around the world... http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/what-is-causing-the-strange-trumpet-sounds-in-the-sky-all-over-the-world -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-05-28 Thread LizR
On 27 May 2015 at 04:13, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Isn't consciousness a form of intelligence? I don't know. It's associated with some form of intelligence in every case I can think of - some rather rudimentary by our standards (and making

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-28 Thread Kim Jones
It's the sound made by geoengineering - firing electromagnetic pulse waves into the atmosphere to affect weather change. HAARP. And other things they don't ring you up to tell you they are doing. No, they don't announce on the evening news that mankind has figured out how to toy with the

Samiya proved right

2015-05-28 Thread LizR
Apparently the Last Trump is being heard around the world... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To

Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism!

2015-05-28 Thread LizR
On 27 May 2015 at 02:07, Pierz pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 1:03:48 PM UTC+10, Liz R wrote: On 25 May 2015 at 00:34, Pierz pie...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 9:08:30 PM UTC+10, spudb...@aol.com wrote: I sure did, Telmo. Scroll to the bottom and you

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-05-28 Thread LizR
On 26 May 2015 at 16:59, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: LizR wrote: On 26 May 2015 at 05:45, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com mailto: johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: Of that I have no opinion because nobody knows what comp means, least of all Bruno. Comp is the theory

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-05-28 Thread Bruce Kellett
LizR wrote: On 26 May 2015 at 16:59, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: LizR wrote: On 26 May 2015 at 05:45, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com Of that I have no opinion because nobody knows what comp means,

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-28 Thread Kim Jones
http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2013/04/13/aquiess-international-inc-electromagnetic-rainmaking-technology/ On 28 May 2015, at 9:47 pm, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: https://www.facebook.com/MrDiscontinuity/posts/978314172187161 On 28 May 2015, at 9:44 pm, Kim Jones

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-05-28 Thread LizR
On 28 May 2015 at 22:03, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: LizR wrote: On 26 May 2015 at 16:59, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: LizR wrote: On 26 May 2015 at 05:45, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com Of

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-05-28 Thread LizR
Wow! I'm impressed by the speed of the response and the response itself. Thanks! On 28 May 2015 at 23:53, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2013/04/13/aquiess-international-inc-electromagnetic-rainmaking-technology/ On 28 May 2015, at 9:47 pm, Kim Jones

Re: Reconciling Random Neuron Firings and Fading Qualia

2015-05-28 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 10:55 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 01:23:20PM +1000, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: A stroke results in objective and subjective changes, such as the inability to move a limb, understand language or see. These are gross