Re: A profound lack of profundity

2017-08-20 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 21 August 2017 at 11:08, John Clark wrote: > On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 , Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > >> ​> ​ >> While the outcome is certain for you, it is not certain for me. >> > > ​That's because the meaning of the personal pronoun "me" will always

Re: A profound lack of profundity

2017-08-20 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 Stathis Papaioannou wrote: ​> ​ > There are two people after the event, ​Yes. ​ > ​> ​ > and each has his own answer about which one and only one city he sees, ​Yes.​ > ​>​ > Why does this make the question not a question? ​Because the string

Re: A profound lack of profundity

2017-08-20 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 , Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > ​> ​ > While the outcome is certain for you, it is not certain for me. > ​That's because the meaning of the personal pronoun "me" will always be uncertain in ​a world that contains "me" duplicating machines. > ​> ​ >

Re: A profound lack of profundity

2017-08-20 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 21 August 2017 at 09:49, John Clark wrote: > On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > ​>> ​ >>> 1-you >>> ​ = Homemade Baby Talk.​ >>> >> >> ​> ​ >> 1-you refer to your subjective, first person, experience. >> > > ​And ​ > your

Re: A profound lack of profundity

2017-08-20 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​>> ​ >> 1-you >> ​ = Homemade Baby Talk.​ >> > > ​> ​ > 1-you refer to your subjective, first person, experience. > ​And ​ your subjective first person, experience ​ refers to the1-you. And round and round we go.​

Re: Is math real?

2017-08-20 Thread Brent Meeker
On 8/20/2017 4:02 PM, David Nyman wrote: On 20 Aug 2017 23:16, "Brent Meeker" > wrote: On 8/20/2017 9:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Aug 2017, at 17:24, David Nyman wrote: On 20 Aug 2017 2:46 p.m., "Bruno Marchal"

Re: Is math real?

2017-08-20 Thread David Nyman
On 20 Aug 2017 23:16, "Brent Meeker" wrote: On 8/20/2017 9:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Aug 2017, at 17:24, David Nyman wrote: On 20 Aug 2017 2:46 p.m., "Bruno Marchal" wrote: On 19 Aug 2017, at 01:21, David Nyman wrote: On 18 August 2017

Re: Is math real?

2017-08-20 Thread Brent Meeker
On 8/20/2017 9:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Aug 2017, at 17:24, David Nyman wrote: On 20 Aug 2017 2:46 p.m., "Bruno Marchal" > wrote: On 19 Aug 2017, at 01:21, David Nyman wrote: On 18 August 2017 at 18:13, Bruno Marchal

Re: A profound lack of profundity

2017-08-20 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 at 2:27 am, John Clark wrote: > On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 2:18 AM, Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > > ​> ​ >> Let me explain the bet more clearly. I will be duplicated tomorrow in >> Moscow and Washington. I have $1 in my pocket, and

Re: Is math real?

2017-08-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Aug 2017, at 19:38, David Nyman wrote: On 20 Aug 2017 17:23, "Bruno Marchal" wrote: On 20 Aug 2017, at 17:24, David Nyman wrote: On 20 Aug 2017 2:46 p.m., "Bruno Marchal" wrote: On 19 Aug 2017, at 01:21, David Nyman wrote: On 18 August

Re: Is math real?

2017-08-20 Thread David Nyman
On 20 Aug 2017 17:23, "Bruno Marchal" wrote: On 20 Aug 2017, at 17:24, David Nyman wrote: On 20 Aug 2017 2:46 p.m., "Bruno Marchal" wrote: On 19 Aug 2017, at 01:21, David Nyman wrote: On 18 August 2017 at 18:13, Bruno Marchal

Re: Is math real?

2017-08-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Aug 2017, at 17:31, Philip Benjamin wrote: [Philip Benjamin] This is the wrong question, "not even wrong"!! The right question is "are the THINGS/SUBJECTS which mathematics deal with real? OK, we agree I think, but fundamentally, it is not even that, at least when we apply

Re: A profound lack of profundity

2017-08-20 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 2:18 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: ​> ​ > Let me explain the bet more clearly. I will be duplicated tomorrow in > Moscow and Washington. I have $1 in my pocket, and this will be duplicated > with me. (Assume this is legal provided that the money is

Re: Is math real?

2017-08-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Aug 2017, at 17:24, David Nyman wrote: On 20 Aug 2017 2:46 p.m., "Bruno Marchal" wrote: On 19 Aug 2017, at 01:21, David Nyman wrote: On 18 August 2017 at 18:13, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Aug 2017, at 15:39, David Nyman wrote: He points at a

Re: Is math real?

2017-08-20 Thread Philip Benjamin
[Philip Benjamin] This is the wrong question, "not even wrong"!! The right question is "are the THINGS/SUBJECTS which mathematics deal with real? Best regards Philip Benjamin From: everything-list@googlegroups.com on behalf

Re: Is math real?

2017-08-20 Thread David Nyman
On 20 Aug 2017 2:46 p.m., "Bruno Marchal" wrote: On 19 Aug 2017, at 01:21, David Nyman wrote: On 18 August 2017 at 18:13, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 18 Aug 2017, at 15:39, David Nyman wrote: > > He points at a mug and says that 'representations'

Re: A profound lack of profundity

2017-08-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Aug 2017, at 21:05, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​>> ​I tire of your homemade baby talk. ​ ​> ​Insult = lack of argument. 1-you​ = Homemade Baby Talk.​ 1-you refer to your subjective, first person, experience. It

Re: Is math real?

2017-08-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Aug 2017, at 01:21, David Nyman wrote: On 18 August 2017 at 18:13, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Aug 2017, at 15:39, David Nyman wrote: He points at a mug and says that 'representations' (meaning numbers) aren't to be confused with things themselves. He confuses a

Re: A profound lack of profundity

2017-08-20 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 at 6:20 am, John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > > ​>> ​ >>> Today before the duplication there is only one >>> ​"I"​ >>> but tomorrow after the duplication there will be two, therefore