Re: What if computation is unrepeatable?

2005-07-12 Thread Eugen Leitl
a universal Turing machine, the input strings would have to be different for different compilers). Yes. However, the reality makes the term a specific algorithm somewhat blurry, and more difficult to measure. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl

Re: where do copies come from?

2005-07-12 Thread Eugen Leitl
lenses made of plastic and not of tissue, prostheses made of titanium steel and not of bone. I seem to not be coming through, so this will be the last post on my part in this thread, for a long while. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl

Re: The Time Deniers

2005-07-11 Thread Eugen Leitl
as a pebble in Gobi hopping through a fluke in Brownian noise. (More abstract machines can be more forgiving, in regards of what is well-formed). -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http

Re: where do copies come from?

2005-07-11 Thread Eugen Leitl
. There are simpler and more economical ways to do things, and we'll be there in about 20-30 years. Meanwhile, biology reigns supreme in crunch/Joule, integration density, error tolerance and a few other things, but we're gaining on it rapidly. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl

Re: What if computation is unrepeatable?

2005-07-11 Thread Eugen Leitl
the performance is variable, I think they're talking about some measure of performance during a single execution of a given program, not about repeating the execution of the same program multiple times and finding variations from one run to another. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl

Re: where do copies come from?

2005-07-10 Thread Eugen Leitl
of these patients can cause gross cognitive and behavioural changes. http://www.google.com/search?num=100hl=enlr=safe=offclient=firefox-arls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficialq=molecular+schizophreniabtnG=Search would seem to disagree. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl

Re: where do copies come from?

2005-07-07 Thread Eugen Leitl
the best strategy would be research into brain-computer interfacing. What is your estimated time frame for advent of technology like http://nanomedicine.com/ I, personally, am not holding my breath. YMMV. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl

Re: where do copies come from?

2005-07-07 Thread Eugen Leitl
otherwise, why would all this complexity have evolved? I do not understand your objections here. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014

Re: where do copies come from?

2005-07-06 Thread Eugen Leitl
it with several liters of active nanomachinery. Most likely, no such machinery will be available within our lifetime. Because of this I'm focusing on cryopreserved people. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820

Re: More is Better (was RE: another puzzle)

2005-07-01 Thread Eugen Leitl
friends could see anything wrong with it. I understand such drugs are currently considered for an early therapy for traumatic incidents (if you can't remember it, you won't be traumatized by recurring memories). Experiences are real, whether you remember them or not. -- Eugen* Leitl a href

Re: More is Better (was RE: another puzzle)

2005-07-01 Thread Eugen Leitl
. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Torture yet again

2005-06-28 Thread Eugen Leitl
to make most of it out. Perhaps you could add some redundancy to your tight prose? Sorry to be so dense, sometimes I have to post under time constraints, in a distracting environment. Will try to mend in future. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl

Re: Torture yet again

2005-06-27 Thread Eugen Leitl
, gene activity, etc.etc) are very different. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE signature.asc

Re: another puzzzle

2005-06-24 Thread Eugen Leitl
, because I don't like solipsism. Why don't we terminate this pointless thread, until we can actually make numerical models of sufficiently complex animals and people, so the question completely renders itself irrelevant? -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl

Re: Torture yet again

2005-06-24 Thread Eugen Leitl
different scenaries, or think invidividual thoughts. It's a degenerate case, and rather uninteresting (but relevant for High Availability / Failover clusters -- HA, heartbeat, drbd, stonith). -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl

Re: another puzzzle

2005-06-24 Thread Eugen Leitl
*we* approach those questions. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE signature.asc Description: Digital

Re: Torture yet again

2005-06-21 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 04:05:02AM -0700, Jonathan Colvin wrote: Now, the funny thing is, if you replace torture by getting shot in the head, then I will pick (2). That's interesting, isn't it? Why is that interesting? It's indistinguishable from a teleportation scenario. -- Eugen* Leitl

Re: copy method important?

2005-06-19 Thread Eugen Leitl
avialable FAQ on the nature of identity, given how often exactly the same issues come up, over the years. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3

Re: another puzzzle

2005-06-17 Thread Eugen Leitl
. And since the light right now is red, red must correspond with the 10^100 copy state and green with the single copy state. But just as you are about to write down your conclusion, the light changes to green... What's wrong with the reasoning here? -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org

Re: collapsing quantum wave function

2005-06-10 Thread Eugen Leitl
it in QC to be able to read the result. IANAP, though, so above may be wrong. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443

Re: Many Pasts? Not according to QM...

2005-06-10 Thread Eugen Leitl
to build the substrate to contain it, even with molecular fabrication. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

Re: Many Pasts? Not according to QM...

2005-06-10 Thread Eugen Leitl
just only you, regardless how many instantiations. The evolution trajectory is identical. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779

Re: Plaga

2005-05-26 Thread Eugen Leitl
-- p___brSign-up for Ads Free at Mail.combr a href=http://mail01.mail.com/scripts/payment/adtracking.cgi?bannercode=adsfreejump01; target=_blankhttp://www.mail.com/?sr=signup/a/p BR -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl

Re: Sociological approach

2005-05-24 Thread Eugen Leitl
/adtracking.cgi?bannercode=adsfreejump01; target=_blankhttp://www.mail.com/?sr=signup/a/p BR -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A

Re: Computational irreducibility and the simulability of worlds

2004-04-17 Thread Eugen Leitl
, built from information or otherwise, I'm very much opposed to mysticism. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29

Re: Modern Physical theory as a basis for Ethical and Existential Nihilism

2004-01-22 Thread Eugen Leitl
is the same thing as the brain state. I still don't understand why you think ethics isn't a noisy set of behaviour algorithms, and is not a domain of science. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144

Re: Is the universe computable

2004-01-21 Thread Eugen Leitl
... -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net

Re: Is the universe computable

2004-01-21 Thread Eugen Leitl
, so assuming an universe we're currently observing is not doesn't require trivial resources to run there's a negative pressure on the motivations to run it. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144

Re: Is the universe computable?

2004-01-16 Thread Eugen Leitl
within them? In there, somewhere? Mathematicians are production systems. Input is coffee, output is theorem. no need to talk about different types of reality. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144

Re: Determinism

2004-01-16 Thread Eugen Leitl
will) only makes sense if you're God. For us meek end users, the difference is undetectable. Well, I hope I have not bored you all, but I do think that there are considerations from the social sciences that bear on -- and possibly challenge -- Tegmark's thesis. -- Eugen* Leitl a href

Re: Is the universe computable?

2004-01-14 Thread Eugen Leitl
that multiverse exists, most of those seem to do without as well. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http

Re: Is the universe computable?

2004-01-14 Thread Eugen Leitl
fabric of reality, because I'm a mathematician. Bow before me, for I see the mind of God. Sorry, that's extremely weak, even for a mathematician. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http

Re: Is the universe computable?

2004-01-13 Thread Eugen Leitl
with the rest of your list. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http

Re: Is the universe computable?

2004-01-13 Thread Eugen Leitl
for me to provide more explanations. Also, I thought you were postulating an universe, aren't you? (I just try Sure, we're having a conversation (albeit a bit surreal one), so we seem to exist. to figure out your philosophical basic hypothesis). Regards, Bruno -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http

Re: Is the universe computable?

2004-01-13 Thread Eugen Leitl
timeflow looks like in a HashLife universe? http://www.ericweisstein.com/encyclopedias/life/HashLife.html -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D

Re: Is the universe computable?

2004-01-12 Thread Eugen Leitl
by definition), but assuming universe exists because numbers exist does strike me as a yet another faith. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A

Re: Is the universe computable?

2004-01-12 Thread Eugen Leitl
as meaningless as 2+2=4. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http

Re: Peculiarities of our universe

2004-01-11 Thread Eugen Leitl
Why don't we see Others? I think the anthropic principle neatly explains both scenarios: why we're here, yet nobody else seems to be. If life nucleation density is arbitrarily low (e.g. 1/visible univers) we still wouldn't fail to observe our existance. It is also worthwhile to mention that

Physics News Update 660 (fwd from physnews@aip.org)

2003-11-04 Thread Eugen Leitl
, the address in your message header will be deleted from the distribution list. Please send your message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leave the Subject: line blank.) - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl

Re: Ideal lamps

2003-10-25 Thread Eugen Leitl
. The meaning of change of state ceases to exist once you go below that. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144 http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE