Re: Answers to David 4

On 04 Jun 2017, at 13:31, David Nyman wrote: On 4 June 2017 at 11:47, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Jun 2017, at 00:29, David Nyman wrote: On 1 June 2017 at 18:00, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Jun 2017, at 16:42, David Nyman wrote: On 1 Jun 2017 15:20, "Bruno Marchal" wrote: On 01 Jun 20

Re: Answers to David 4

On 4 June 2017 at 11:47, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 02 Jun 2017, at 00:29, David Nyman wrote: > > On 1 June 2017 at 18:00, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 01 Jun 2017, at 16:42, David Nyman wrote: >> >> >> >> On 1 Jun 2017 15:20, "Bruno Marchal" wrote: >> >> >> On 01 Jun 2017, at 15:59, David

Re: Answers to David 4

On 02 Jun 2017, at 00:29, David Nyman wrote: On 1 June 2017 at 18:00, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Jun 2017, at 16:42, David Nyman wrote: On 1 Jun 2017 15:20, "Bruno Marchal" wrote: On 01 Jun 2017, at 15:59, David Nyman wrote: On 1 Jun 2017 14:01, "Bruno Marchal" wrote: On 01 Jun 20

Re: Answers to David 4

On 01 Jun 2017, at 16:42, David Nyman wrote: On 1 Jun 2017 15:20, "Bruno Marchal" wrote: On 01 Jun 2017, at 15:59, David Nyman wrote: On 1 Jun 2017 14:01, "Bruno Marchal" wrote: On 01 Jun 2017, at 12:44, David Nyman wrote: On 1 Jun 2017 10:02 a.m., "Bruno Marchal" wrote: On 31 M

Re: Answers to David 4

On 1 Jun 2017 15:20, "Bruno Marchal" wrote: On 01 Jun 2017, at 15:59, David Nyman wrote: On 1 Jun 2017 14:01, "Bruno Marchal" wrote: On 01 Jun 2017, at 12:44, David Nyman wrote: On 1 Jun 2017 10:02 a.m., "Bruno Marchal" wrote: On 31 May 2017, at 19:14, David Nyman wrote: On 31 May 2

Re: Answers to David 4

On 01 Jun 2017, at 15:59, David Nyman wrote: On 1 Jun 2017 14:01, "Bruno Marchal" wrote: On 01 Jun 2017, at 12:44, David Nyman wrote: On 1 Jun 2017 10:02 a.m., "Bruno Marchal" wrote: On 31 May 2017, at 19:14, David Nyman wrote: On 31 May 2017 at 17:00, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 M

Re: Answers to David 4

On 1 Jun 2017 14:01, "Bruno Marchal" wrote: On 01 Jun 2017, at 12:44, David Nyman wrote: On 1 Jun 2017 10:02 a.m., "Bruno Marchal" wrote: On 31 May 2017, at 19:14, David Nyman wrote: On 31 May 2017 at 17:00, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 30 May 2017, at 16:44, David Nyman wrote: > > On 30

Re: Answers to David 4

On 01 Jun 2017, at 12:44, David Nyman wrote: On 1 Jun 2017 10:02 a.m., "Bruno Marchal" wrote: On 31 May 2017, at 19:14, David Nyman wrote: On 31 May 2017 at 17:00, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 May 2017, at 16:44, David Nyman wrote: On 30 May 2017 at 13:05, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 M

Re: Answers to David 4

On 1 Jun 2017 10:02 a.m., "Bruno Marchal" wrote: On 31 May 2017, at 19:14, David Nyman wrote: On 31 May 2017 at 17:00, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 30 May 2017, at 16:44, David Nyman wrote: > > On 30 May 2017 at 13:05, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 29 May 2017, at 13:42, David Nyman wrote:

Re: Answers to David 4

On 31 May 2017, at 19:14, David Nyman wrote: On 31 May 2017 at 17:00, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 May 2017, at 16:44, David Nyman wrote: On 30 May 2017 at 13:05, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 May 2017, at 13:42, David Nyman wrote: On 29 May 2017 at 05:27, Brent Meeker wrote: ​Yes, so t

Re: Answers to David 4

On 31 May 2017 at 17:00, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 30 May 2017, at 16:44, David Nyman wrote: > > On 30 May 2017 at 13:05, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 29 May 2017, at 13:42, David Nyman wrote: >> >> >> >> On 29 May 2017 at 05:27, Brent Meeker wrote: >> >> ​Yes, so the explanatory priority

Re: Answers to David 4

On 30 May 2017, at 16:44, David Nyman wrote: On 30 May 2017 at 13:05, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 May 2017, at 13:42, David Nyman wrote: On 29 May 2017 at 05:27, Brent Meeker wrote: ​Yes, so the explanatory priority is now that of "​we are to extract" over "the physics of which they a

Re: Answers to David 4

On 30 May 2017 at 13:05, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 29 May 2017, at 13:42, David Nyman wrote: > > > > On 29 May 2017 at 05:27, Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 5/28/2017 3:40 AM, David Nyman wrote: >> >> >> >> On 28 May 2017 5:52 a.m., "Brent Meeker" wrote: >> >> >> >> On 5/27/2017 3:20 PM, D

Re: Answers to David 4

On 29 May 2017, at 13:42, David Nyman wrote: On 29 May 2017 at 05:27, Brent Meeker wrote: On 5/28/2017 3:40 AM, David Nyman wrote: On 28 May 2017 5:52 a.m., "Brent Meeker" wrote: On 5/27/2017 3:20 PM, David Nyman wrote: I think what is meant by the reversal is clear enough. The fo

Re: Fwd: Answers to David 4

On 29 May 2017 at 05:27, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 5/28/2017 3:40 AM, David Nyman wrote: > > > > On 28 May 2017 5:52 a.m., "Brent Meeker" wrote: > > > > On 5/27/2017 3:20 PM, David Nyman wrote: > > I think what is meant by the reversal is clear enough. The forward >> hypothesis, mechanism, is

Re: Answers to David 4

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 03:54:03PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > That is a personal question of taste. Why to try to unify GR and QM? > If they works well in their domain, we could just keep both. But There are physical domains where both theories are required. For example the nature of the eve

Re: Answers to David 4

On 28 May 2017, at 00:28, David Nyman wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: David Nyman Date: 27 May 2017 at 22:43 Subject: Re: Answers to David 4 To: meekerdb On 27 May 2017 9:19 p.m., "Brent Meeker" wrote: On 5/27/2017 5:36 AM, David Nyman wrote: ​It might

Re: Answers to David 4

On 27 May 2017, at 04:30, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 27/05/2017 11:46 am, David Nyman wrote: On 27 May 2017 at 01:44, Bruce Kellett wrote: I think it is the interpretation of the data that is theory- dependent. ​Not at all. Data don't just sit there staring you in the face. What is data

Re: Answers to David 4

On 27 May 2017, at 02:07, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 26/05/2017 6:53 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 May 2017, at 03:26, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 26/05/2017 9:11 am, David Nyman wrote: On 25 May 2017 23:18, "Brent Meeker" wrote: I have told you my theory of virtuous circular explanations. "I

Re: Fwd: Answers to David 4

On 28 May 2017 5:52 a.m., "Brent Meeker" wrote: On 5/27/2017 3:20 PM, David Nyman wrote: I think what is meant by the reversal is clear enough. The forward > hypothesis, mechanism, is that the realization of some information > processing in the brain, or other physical system, instantiates > c

Fwd: Answers to David 4

-- Forwarded message -- From: David Nyman Date: 27 May 2017 at 22:43 Subject: Re: Answers to David 4 To: meekerdb On 27 May 2017 9:19 p.m., "Brent Meeker" wrote: On 5/27/2017 5:36 AM, David Nyman wrote: > ​It might. But ISTM that the entire project of expla

Fwd: Answers to David 4

-- Forwarded message -- From: David Nyman Date: 27 May 2017 at 23:12 Subject: Re: Answers to David 4 To: meekerdb ​Brent, why are y ou still PM'ing me ​?​ ​Please let me know if you have read this. On 27 May 2017 21:36, "Brent Meeker" wrote: > > &

Re: Answers to David 4

On 27 May 2017 at 01:07, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 26/05/2017 6:53 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 26 May 2017, at 03:26, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On 26/05/2017 9:11 am, David Nyman wrote: > > On 25 May 2017 23:18, "Brent Meeker" < > meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > I have told you my theory o

Re: Answers to David 4

On 27 May 2017 at 01:07, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 26/05/2017 6:53 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 26 May 2017, at 03:26, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On 26/05/2017 9:11 am, David Nyman wrote: > > On 25 May 2017 23:18, "Brent Meeker" < > meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > I have told you my theory o

Re: Answers to David 4

On 27 May 2017 3:30 a.m., "Bruce Kellett" wrote: On 27/05/2017 11:46 am, David Nyman wrote: On 27 May 2017 at 01:44, Bruce Kellett < bhkell...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > I think it is the interpretation of the data that is theory-dependent. > ​Not at all. Data don't just sit there staring yo

Re: Answers to David 4

On 27/05/2017 11:46 am, David Nyman wrote: On 27 May 2017 at 01:44, Bruce Kellett > wrote: I think it is the interpretation of the data that is theory-dependent. ​Not at all. Data don't just sit there staring you in the face. What is data in terms of one

Re: Answers to David 4

On 27 May 2017 at 01:44, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 26/05/2017 8:44 pm, David Nyman wrote: > > On 26 May 2017 2:26 a.m., "Bruce Kellett" < > bhkell...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > On 26/05/2017 9:11 am, David Nyman wrote: > > On 25 May 2017 23:18, "Brent Meeker" < > meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: >

Re: Answers to David 4

On 26/05/2017 8:44 pm, David Nyman wrote: On 26 May 2017 2:26 a.m., "Bruce Kellett" > wrote: On 26/05/2017 9:11 am, David Nyman wrote: On 25 May 2017 23:18, "Brent Meeker" mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: I have told you my theory of virtu

Re: Answers to David 4

On 26/05/2017 6:53 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 May 2017, at 03:26, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 26/05/2017 9:11 am, David Nyman wrote: On 25 May 2017 23:18, "Brent Meeker" wrote: I have told you my theory of virtuous circular explanations. "Invoke" is a pejorative attribution. The ph

Re: Answers to David 4

On 26 May 2017 2:26 a.m., "Bruce Kellett" wrote: On 26/05/2017 9:11 am, David Nyman wrote: On 25 May 2017 23:18, "Brent Meeker" < meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: I have told you my theory of virtuous circular explanations. "Invoke" is a pejorative attribution. The physical universe is an *infe

Re: Answers to David 4

On 26 May 2017, at 03:26, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 26/05/2017 9:11 am, David Nyman wrote: On 25 May 2017 23:18, "Brent Meeker" wrote: I have told you my theory of virtuous circular explanations. "Invoke" is a pejorative attribution. The physical universe is an inference to explain appea

Re: Answers to David 4

On 26 May 2017, at 03:16, David Nyman wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: David Nyman Date: 26 May 2017 at 01:53 Subject: Re: Answers to David 4 To: Brent Meeker On 26 May 2017 at 01:24, Brent Meeker wrote: On 5/25/2017 4:11 PM, David Nyman wrote: On 25 May 2017 23

Re: Answers to David 4

On 26 May 2017, at 00:18, Brent Meeker wrote: On 5/25/2017 8:25 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Also, "my" theory is believed by almost all scientists. Diderot call it simply "rationalism". If Brent does not believe in mechanism, he should tell us what is his explanation for consciousness. But

Re: Answers to David 4

On 26/05/2017 9:11 am, David Nyman wrote: On 25 May 2017 23:18, "Brent Meeker" > wrote: I have told you my theory of virtuous circular explanations. "Invoke" is a pejorative attribution. The physical universe is an */inference /*to explain appearances

Fwd: Answers to David 4

-- Forwarded message -- From: David Nyman Date: 26 May 2017 at 02:13 Subject: Re: Answers to David 4 To: Brent Meeker , Bruno Marchal < bruno.fernand.marc...@gmail.com> On 26 May 2017 at 01:24, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 5/25/2017 4:11 PM, David Nyman wrote

Fwd: Answers to David 4

-- Forwarded message -- From: David Nyman Date: 26 May 2017 at 01:53 Subject: Re: Answers to David 4 To: Brent Meeker On 26 May 2017 at 01:24, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 5/25/2017 4:11 PM, David Nyman wrote: > > > > On 25 May 2017 23:18, "Brent Me

Re: Answers to David 4

On 25 May 2017 23:18, "Brent Meeker" wrote: On 5/25/2017 8:25 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Also, "my" theory is believed by almost all scientists. Diderot call it simply "rationalism". If Brent does not believe in mechanism, he should tell us what is his explanation for consciousness. But here, he

Re: Answers to David 4

On 5/25/2017 8:25 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Also, "my" theory is believed by almost all scientists. Diderot call it simply "rationalism". If Brent does not believe in mechanism, he should tell us what is his explanation for consciousness. But here, he clearly dismiss the problem when saying th

Answers to David 4

On 24 May 2017, at 13:58, David Nyman wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: David Nyman Date: 20 May 2017 at 10:29 Subject: Re: ​Movie argument To: everything-list On 20 May 2017 02:36, "Brent Meeker" wrote: On 5/19/2017 5:30 PM, David Nyman wrote: On 19 May 2017 at 21: