Re: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-16 Thread stephenk
On May 12, 8:00 pm, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote:  On 5/12/2012 10:19 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 9:20 AM, scerir sce...@libero.it wrote: A few quotes below to dualism

Re: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Stephen, On 14 May 2012, at 19:16, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/14/2012 4:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 May 2012, at 23:19, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 13.05.2012 15:09 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 12 May 2012, at 14:59, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 12.05.2012 13:33 Bruno

Re: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 May 2012, at 22:41, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 14.05.2012 10:29 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 13 May 2012, at 23:19, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Yet, I guess that even not all physicists believe in multiverse. When you convince all physicists that multivers exists, I will

Re: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-15 Thread Stephen P. King
On 5/15/2012 5:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hi Stephen, On 14 May 2012, at 19:16, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/14/2012 4:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 May 2012, at 23:19, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Do you mean that when all chemists accept the multiverse interpretation, they will start

Re: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 May 2012, at 23:19, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 13.05.2012 15:09 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 12 May 2012, at 14:59, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 12.05.2012 13:33 Bruno Marchal said the following: Evgenii, All this is well known. Copenhagen theory, or unique-universe theory are

Re: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-14 Thread Stephen P. King
On 5/14/2012 4:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 May 2012, at 23:19, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 13.05.2012 15:09 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 12 May 2012, at 14:59, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 12.05.2012 13:33 Bruno Marchal said the following: Evgenii, All this is well known.

Re: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-14 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 14.05.2012 10:29 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 13 May 2012, at 23:19, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Yet, I guess that even not all physicists believe in multiverse. When you convince all physicists that multivers exists, I will start thinking about it. On reality, usually all humans

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2012-05-13 Thread scerir
H. Kragh (Dirac: a Scientific Biography, Cambridge U.P., 1990) reports a 1927 discussion between Dirac, Heisenberg and Born, about what actually gives rise to the so called collapse (reduction of waves packet). Dirac said that it is 'Nature' that makes the choice (of measurement outcome). Born

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2012-05-13 Thread meekerdb
On 5/12/2012 11:21 PM, scerir wrote: H. Kragh (Dirac: a Scientific Biography, Cambridge U.P., 1990) reports a 1927 discussion between Dirac, Heisenberg and Born, about what actually gives rise to the so called collapse (reduction of waves packet). Dirac said that it is 'Nature' that makes the

Re: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-13 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 13.05.2012 04:38 meekerdb said the following: On 5/12/2012 4:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Evgenii, All this is well known. Copenhagen theory, or unique-universe theory are non computationalist dualist theories. Not all of them, at least not in the sense of dualist you mean. Adrian Kent has

Re: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 May 2012, at 14:59, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 12.05.2012 13:33 Bruno Marchal said the following: Evgenii, All this is well known. Copenhagen theory, or unique-universe theory are non computationalist dualist theories. But as Shimony has shown, the idea that consciousness collapse the

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2012-05-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 May 2012, at 15:20, scerir wrote: A few quotes below to dualism from Max Velmans. Evgenii H. Kragh (Dirac: a Scientific Biography, Cambridge U.P., 1990) reports a 1927 discussion between Dirac, Heisenberg and Born, about what actually gives rise to the so called collapse (reduction

Re: R: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 May 2012, at 22:54, meekerdb wrote: On 5/12/2012 6:20 AM, scerir wrote: A few quotes below to dualism from Max Velmans. Evgenii H. Kragh (Dirac: a Scientific Biography, Cambridge U.P., 1990) reports a 1927 discussion between Dirac, Heisenberg and Born, about what actually gives

Re: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 May 2012, at 04:38, meekerdb wrote: On 5/12/2012 4:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Evgenii, All this is well known. Copenhagen theory, or unique-universe theory are non computationalist dualist theories. Not all of them, at least not in the sense of dualist you mean. Adrian Kent has

Re: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-13 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 13.05.2012 15:09 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 12 May 2012, at 14:59, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 12.05.2012 13:33 Bruno Marchal said the following: Evgenii, All this is well known. Copenhagen theory, or unique-universe theory are non computationalist dualist theories. But as Shimony

Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
A few quotes below to dualism from Max Velmans. Evgenii http://blog.rudnyi.ru/2012/05/quantum-dualist-interactionism.html In Chapter 2, Conscious Souls, Brains and Quantum Mechanics there is a nice section Quantum Dualist Interactionism (p. 17 – 21) where Max Velmans describes works that

Re: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 12.05.2012 13:33 Bruno Marchal said the following: Evgenii, All this is well known. Copenhagen theory, or unique-universe theory are non computationalist dualist theories. But as Shimony has shown, the idea that consciousness collapse the wave leads to many difficulties, like non local

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2012-05-12 Thread scerir
A few quotes below to dualism from Max Velmans. Evgenii H. Kragh (Dirac: a Scientific Biography, Cambridge U.P., 1990) reports a 1927 discussion between Dirac, Heisenberg and Born, about what actually gives rise to the so called collapse (reduction of waves packet). Dirac said that it is

Re: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-12 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 9:20 AM, scerir sce...@libero.it wrote: A few quotes below to dualism from Max Velmans. Evgenii H. Kragh (Dirac: a Scientific Biography, Cambridge U.P., 1990) reports a 1927 discussion between Dirac, Heisenberg and Born, about what actually gives rise to the so

Re: R: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-12 Thread meekerdb
On 5/12/2012 6:20 AM, scerir wrote: A few quotes below to dualism from Max Velmans. Evgenii H. Kragh (Dirac: a Scientific Biography, Cambridge U.P., 1990) reports a 1927 discussion between Dirac, Heisenberg and Born, about what actually gives rise to the so called collapse (reduction of waves

Re: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-12 Thread Stephen P. King
On 5/12/2012 10:19 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 9:20 AM, scerir sce...@libero.it mailto:sce...@libero.it wrote: A few quotes below to dualism from Max Velmans. Evgenii H. Kragh (Dirac: a Scientific Biography, Cambridge U.P., 1990) reports a 1927

Re: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-12 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 5/12/2012 10:19 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 9:20 AM, scerir sce...@libero.it wrote: A few quotes below to dualism from Max Velmans. Evgenii H. Kragh (Dirac: a Scientific Biography,

Re: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-12 Thread meekerdb
On 5/12/2012 4:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Evgenii, All this is well known. Copenhagen theory, or unique-universe theory are non computationalist dualist theories. Not all of them, at least not in the sense of dualist you mean. Adrian Kent has proposed a one-universe theory which doesn't