Re: Perpetual Motion Machines

2020-01-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
al energy? >>>> >>>> c) What if he opens the door and steps outside the chamber? Does he >>>> observe any difference in heat flow? >>>> >>>> I do not have any firm answers to any of these thought experiments - just >>>&g

Re: Perpetual Motion Machines

2019-12-31 Thread George Levy
n contain the statement “I did not survive”. Bruno Brent George -Original Message- From: George Levy To: everything-list Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2019 10:11 pm Subject: Re: Perpetual Motion Machines Hi everyone I do not post often, but now is an opportune time to post on perpetual motion

Re: Perpetual Motion Machines

2019-12-31 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
mind!"  -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list Sent: Tue, Dec 31, 2019 10:20 am Subject: Re: Perpetual Motion Machines On 31 Dec 2019, at 05:02, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 12/30/2019 5:44 PM, George Levy wrote: On 12/29/2019 4:34

Re: Perpetual Motion Machines

2019-12-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
ary realities where Dr Katz wills survive with some illness due to the radio-activity. The cat experience always suggest a perfect kill, for the sake of the argument, but with Everett, or with Mechanism, that simply cannot make sense in the first person view. No 1p-diary can contain the statement

Re: Perpetual Motion Machines

2019-12-30 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
Levy To: everything-list Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2019 10:11 pm Subject: Re: Perpetual Motion Machines Hi everyone I do not post often, but now is an opportune time to post on perpetual motion machines and the second law. John Clark posted "The other type of Perpetual Motion Machine would vi

Re: Perpetual Motion Machines

2019-12-30 Thread George Levy
to any of these thought experiments - just guesses. Do you know the answers? George -Original Message- From: George Levy To: everything-list Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2019 10:11 pm Subject: Re: Perpetual Motion Machines Hi everyone I do not post often, but now is an opportune time to post

Re: Perpetual Motion Machines

2019-12-29 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
To: everything-list Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2019 10:11 pm Subject: Re: Perpetual Motion Machines Hi everyone I do not post often, but now is an opportune time to post on perpetual motion machines and the second law. John Clark posted "The other type of Perpetual Motion Machine would vi

Re: Perpetual Motion Machines

2019-12-24 Thread Lawrence Crowell
Quantum entropy is constant. Standard thermal entropy increases because it is difficult to localize all information about a system. If that were possible, say there are perfectly reflecting walls or the space were a torus the systems would exhibit a poincaré recurrence. LC -- You received

Re: Perpetual Motion Machines

2019-12-23 Thread George Levy
Hi everyone I do not post often, but now is an opportune time to post on perpetual motion machines and the second law. John Clark posted "The other type of Perpetual Motion Machine would violate the second law of thermodynamics, you couldn't create energy from nothing but you

Re: Perpetual Motion Machines

2019-11-30 Thread Philip Thrift
On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 4:00:03 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/30/2019 1:04 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 2:49:15 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/29/2019 11:55 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, November 29, 2019 at

Re: Perpetual Motion Machines

2019-11-30 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 11/30/2019 1:04 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 2:49:15 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 11/29/2019 11:55 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Friday, November 29, 2019 at 5:39:54 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 11/29/2019 2:34 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:

Re: Perpetual Motion Machines

2019-11-30 Thread Philip Thrift
On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 2:49:15 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/29/2019 11:55 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 29, 2019 at 5:39:54 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/29/2019 2:34 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, November 29, 2019 at

Re: Perpetual Motion Machines

2019-11-30 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 11/29/2019 11:55 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Friday, November 29, 2019 at 5:39:54 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 11/29/2019 2:34 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Friday, November 29, 2019 at 4:11:04 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: /> Hue Price argues, we need to overcome our

Re: Perpetual Motion Machines

2019-11-29 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, November 29, 2019 at 5:39:54 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/29/2019 2:34 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 29, 2019 at 4:11:04 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >> >> >> *> Hue Price argues, we need to overcome our natural tendency to think >>> about the past and

Re: Perpetual Motion Machines

2019-11-29 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 11/29/2019 2:34 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Friday, November 29, 2019 at 4:11:04 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: /> Hue Price argues, we need to overcome our natural tendency to think about the past and the future differently. / Our natural tendency is to remember the

Re: Perpetual Motion Machines

2019-11-29 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, November 29, 2019 at 4:11:04 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > > *> Hue Price argues, we need to overcome our natural tendency to think >> about the past and the future differently. * > > > Our natural tendency is to remember the past but not the future, so Price > asks us to change

Re: Perpetual Motion Machines

2019-11-29 Thread John Clark
> *> Hue Price argues, we need to overcome our natural tendency to think > about the past and the future differently. * Our natural tendency is to remember the past but not the future, so Price asks us to change the way we think in a rather profound way. I can't imagine how he expects us to do

Re: Perpetual Motion Machines

2019-11-29 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
I'll take Price's advice and avoid the "double standard" by forgetting the past (in which Vic already wrote a book about retrocausation). I wonder why philosophers are so fond of representing the future as fixed in a block universe model; instead of concluding that maybe the past is

Re: Perpetual Motion Machines

2019-11-29 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, November 29, 2019 at 8:57:16 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > All this talk about energy conservation has got me thinking about > Perpetual Motion Machines, there are 2 types, both are impossible but one > is more impossible than the other. One type would violate th

Perpetual Motion Machines

2019-11-29 Thread John Clark
All this talk about energy conservation has got me thinking about Perpetual Motion Machines, there are 2 types, both are impossible but one is more impossible than the other. One type would violate the known laws of physics, or maybe not; it seems to me that in an accelerating universe it would