On 01 May 2014, at 03:55, Pierz wrote:
On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 6:19:01 AM UTC+10, jessem wrote:
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 3:02 PM, John Mikes jam...@gmail.com wrote:
Brent(?) wrote:
No I never read that, but hell yeah, MWI worries me! Doesn't it
worry you? I mean I know at one level
On 30 Apr 2014, at 04:24, Russell Standish wrote:
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 04:19:01PM -0400, Jesse Mazer wrote:
The MWI advocate David Deutsch had a quote about choices and
morality in
the article at
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg17122994.400-taming-the-multiverse.htmlwhich
made
On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 6:19:01 AM UTC+10, jessem wrote:
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 3:02 PM, John Mikes jam...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
*Brent(?) wrote*:
No I never read that, but hell yeah, MWI worries me! Doesn't it worry
you? I mean I know at one level that in a very real sense
*Brent(?) wrote*:
No I never read that, but hell yeah, MWI worries me! Doesn't it worry you?
I mean I know at one level that in a very real sense it doesn't matter
whether it's true or not, since the other universes can never affect me,
but at another the reality that everything happens to me that
On 4/29/2014 12:02 PM, John Mikes wrote:
*/Brent(?) wrote/*:
Nope. Wasn't me, I wrote:
/
//Chris Fuchs is the main proponent of quantum Bayesianism, which also takes the
wave-function to just be a summary of one's knowledge of the system - and so there is
nothing surprising about it
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 3:02 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote:
*Brent(?) wrote*:
No I never read that, but hell yeah, MWI worries me! Doesn't it worry you?
I mean I know at one level that in a very real sense it doesn't matter
whether it's true or not, since the other universes can
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 04:19:01PM -0400, Jesse Mazer wrote:
The MWI advocate David Deutsch had a quote about choices and morality in
the article at
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg17122994.400-taming-the-multiverse.htmlwhich
made sense to me:
By making good choices, doing the right
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 10:24 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.auwrote:
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 04:19:01PM -0400, Jesse Mazer wrote:
The MWI advocate David Deutsch had a quote about choices and morality in
the article at
On 23 April 2014 21:33, Pierz pier...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:12:53 PM UTC+10, Brent wrote:
On 4/22/2014 4:54 AM, Pierz wrote:
Thanks Brent. I read Mermin and am both wiser and none-the. It seems to
me in this paper he is chickening out by saying that QM shouldn't
On 24 Apr 2014, at 01:05, LizR wrote:
On 24 April 2014 04:25, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Samuel Clemens? Was is not Mark Twain? I missed a post perhaps.
Oops. They are the same person (Twain was Clemens' pseudonym). I
thought it was common knowledge, perhaps because I read the
Mermin doesn't start too promisingly...
My complete answer to the late 19th century question “what is
electrodynamics trying to tell us” would simply be this:
*Fields in empty space have physical reality; the medium that supports them
does not. *
Having thus removed the mystery from
On the plus side, this only correlations idea reminds me of the idea that
fundamental particles don't actually exist but are really only the binding
energy holding them together...
:-)
On 23 April 2014 20:48, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Mermin doesn't start too promisingly...
My complete
Hi Liz,
The billions make sense to me, to be honest. Even before the earth, we
still didn't exist. It sounds like poetic liberty for a mind blowing
amount of time.
Cheers
Telmo.
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 4:23 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
I was just a bit surprised at his use of billions
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:03 AM, Pierz pier...@gmail.com wrote:
Just came across this presentation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEaecUuEqfc
It's a bit long, but I'd be interested to hear anyone's thoughts who is
knowledgeable on QM. I don't follow the maths, but I kind of got the gist.
On 23 April 2014 22:29, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
Hi Liz,
The billions make sense to me, to be honest. Even before the earth, we
still didn't exist. It sounds like poetic liberty for a mind blowing
amount of time.
Sure, but I think at the time millions of years was a
Oh, and to really stick my neck out, I think the phrase billions and
billions became a cliché through Carl Sagan using it in the TV programme
Cosmos so I suspect (but have zero proof) that this quote is attributed
to Sam Clemens but is in fact either made up or misquoted. My theory is
that someone
Actually Sagan may not have used the phrase billions and billions but it
(too?) may have been a misquote that came to be associated with him (like
play it again, Sam and beam me up, Scotty!)
On 23 April 2014 23:16, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Oh, and to really stick my neck out, I think the
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 1:16 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Oh, and to really stick my neck out, I think the phrase billions and
billions became a cliché through Carl Sagan using it in the TV programme
Cosmos so I suspect (but have zero proof) that this quote is attributed
to Sam Clemens
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 1:19 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually Sagan may not have used the phrase billions and billions but it
(too?) may have been a misquote that came to be associated with him (like
play it again, Sam and beam me up, Scotty!)
Oops, sorry for stepping on your toes
On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:12:53 PM UTC+10, Brent wrote:
On 4/22/2014 4:54 AM, Pierz wrote:
Thanks Brent. I read Mermin and am both wiser and none-the. It seems to me
in this paper he is chickening out by saying that QM shouldn't really think
about the conscious observer,
On Wednesday, April 23, 2014 6:48:09 PM UTC+10, Liz R wrote:
Mermin doesn't start too promisingly...
My complete answer to the late 19th century question “what is
electrodynamics trying to tell us” would simply be this:
*Fields in empty space have physical reality; the medium that
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:08 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 April 2014 22:29, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
Hi Liz,
The billions make sense to me, to be honest. Even before the earth, we
still didn't exist. It sounds like poetic liberty for a mind blowing
amount of
On 23 Apr 2014, at 13:33, Pierz wrote:
On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:12:53 PM UTC+10, Brent wrote:
On 4/22/2014 4:54 AM, Pierz wrote:
Thanks Brent. I read Mermin and am both wiser and none-the. It
seems to me in this paper he is chickening out by saying that QM
shouldn't really think
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 6:10 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 23 Apr 2014, at 13:33, Pierz wrote:
On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:12:53 PM UTC+10, Brent wrote:
On 4/22/2014 4:54 AM, Pierz wrote:
Thanks Brent. I read Mermin and am both wiser and none-the. It seems to
me in
On 23 Apr 2014, at 13:08, LizR wrote:
On 23 April 2014 22:29, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
Hi Liz,
The billions make sense to me, to be honest. Even before the
earth, we still didn't exist. It sounds like poetic liberty for a
mind blowing amount of time.
Sure, but I think
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On 23 Apr 2014, at 13:08, LizR wrote:
On 23
On 23 Apr 2014, at 13:56, Pierz wrote:
On Wednesday, April 23, 2014 6:48:09 PM UTC+10, Liz R wrote:
Mermin doesn't start too promisingly...
My complete answer to the late 19th century question what is
electrodynamics trying to tell us would simply be this:
Fields in empty space have
On 23 Apr 2014, at 14:42, Jesse Mazer and Liz wrote:
snip
Annihilation has no terrors for me, because I have already tried it
before I was born--a hundred million years--and I have suffered more
in an hour, in this life, than I remember to have suffered in the
whole hundred million
On 23 Apr 2014, at 14:42, Jesse Mazer wrote:
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:08 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 April 2014 22:29, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
Hi Liz,
The billions make sense to me, to be honest. Even before the
earth, we still didn't exist. It sounds like
On 23 Apr 2014, at 18:29, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 6:10 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
On 23 Apr 2014, at 13:33, Pierz wrote:
On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:12:53 PM UTC+10, Brent wrote:
On 4/22/2014 4:54 AM, Pierz wrote:
Thanks Brent. I
On 23 April 2014 17:25, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Samuel Clemens? Was is not Mark Twain? I missed a post perhaps.
Same guy, different name.
David
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On 4/23/2014 3:29 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Hi Liz,
The billions make sense to me, to be honest. Even before the earth, we still didn't
exist. It sounds like poetic liberty for a mind blowing amount of time.
Cheers
Telmo.
It makes sense, but millions makes sense too and I think Liz is right
On 4/23/2014 4:23 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 1:19 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com
mailto:lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually Sagan may not have used the phrase billions and billions but it
(too?)
may have been a misquote that came to be associated with him (like play
Subject: Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM
On 23 Apr 2014, at 13:08, LizR wrote:
On 23 April 2014 22:29, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
Hi Liz,
The billions make sense to me, to be honest. Even before the
earth, we still didn't exist. It sounds like poetic liberty for a
mind
On 4/23/2014 4:33 AM, Pierz wrote:
On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:12:53 PM UTC+10, Brent wrote:
On 4/22/2014 4:54 AM, Pierz wrote:
Thanks Brent. I read Mermin and am both wiser and none-the. It seems to me
in this
paper he is chickening out by saying that QM shouldn't really
On 4/23/2014 9:49 AM, 'Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via
Everything List wrote:
Do someone know the estimate of the age of the universe at the time of Mark Twain?
Einstein though it was infinite, and I thought that many physicists (including believer
in Big Bang(s)) don't exclude
On 4/23/2014 11:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
==
Annihilation has no terrors for me, because
I have already tried it before I was born--a
hundred million years--and I have suffered
more in an hour, in this life, than I remember
to have suffered in the whole
On 24 April 2014 00:42, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:08 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 April 2014 22:29, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
Hi Liz,
The billions make sense to me, to be honest. Even before the earth, we
still didn't
On 24 April 2014 04:25, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Samuel Clemens? Was is not Mark Twain? I missed a post perhaps.
Oops. They are the same person (Twain was Clemens' pseudonym). I thought it
was common knowledge, perhaps because I read the Riverworld series by
Philip Jose Farmer.
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Thanks Brent. I read Mermin and am both wiser and none-the. It seems to me
in this paper he is chickening out by saying that QM shouldn't really think
about the conscious observer, because that leads to the fairy tale of
many worlds. Instead it should consider consciousness to reside outside
On 4/22/2014 4:54 AM, Pierz wrote:
Thanks Brent. I read Mermin and am both wiser and none-the. It seems to me in this paper
he is chickening out by saying that QM shouldn't really think about the conscious
observer, because that leads to the fairy tale of many worlds. Instead it should
On 22 Apr 2014, at 02:03, Pierz wrote:
Just came across this presentation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEaecUuEqfc
It's a bit long, but I'd be interested to hear anyone's thoughts who
is knowledgeable on QM. I don't follow the maths, but I kind of got
the gist. What intrigued me was
I would like to read those papers but haven't had time yet.
On 23 April 2014 04:00, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 22 Apr 2014, at 02:03, Pierz wrote:
Just came across this presentation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEaecUuEqfc
It's a bit long, but I'd be interested to hear
On 4/22/2014 4:28 PM, LizR wrote:
would like to read those papers but haven't had time yet.
On 23 April 2014 04:00, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 22 Apr 2014, at 02:03, Pierz wrote:
Just came across this presentation:
On 23 April 2014 11:37, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for
billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the
slightest inconvenience from it.'
--- Mark Twain
Did Mark Twain really say that? I
.
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Subject: Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM
On 23 April 2014 11:37, meekerdb lt;meeke...@verizon.netgt; wrote:
I do not fear death, in view of the fact
I was just a bit surprised at his use of billions rather than millions
which in context seems rather extravagant. Actually google indicates that I
am not alone in wondering this.
http://www.telecomtally.com/blog/2006/12/did_mark_twain_1.html
Wikiquote http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mark_Twainalso
I should have said, my emphasis.
On 23 April 2014 14:23, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
I was just a bit surprised at his use of billions rather than millions
which in context seems rather extravagant. Actually google indicates that I
am not alone in wondering this.
Pierz,
I think we discussed Ron Garrett's talk on this list before. You should be
able to find something searching the archive.
I greatly appreciated his view and invited him to discuss them with us on
this list and also invited him to check out Bruno's paper since I found a
lot of similarity.
Read Mermin who has written some popular papers on The Ithaca Interpretation of Quantum
Mechanics, e.g. http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/9801057.pdf and the paper by Adami and
Cerf, which is where Garrett gets his talk, arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0405005/?/
They take an information theoric approach
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