Re: Natural Order Belief

2006-12-15 Thread John M
Dear list: this was the last post I received (I think I am subscribed) Have I been (or the list?) terminated? John Mikes - Original Message - From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 5:27 AM Subject: Re: Natural Order Belief

Re: Natural Order Belief

2006-12-15 Thread Kim Jones
: Natural Order Belief John, You are right, I was wrong. Those deeds are not contingent. They probably appears automatically when one give a name to God. Perhaps, God could be defined by this: it is the one which is such that once you give it a name or a definition trouble appears

Re: Natural Order Belief

2006-12-15 Thread Wei Dai
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 8:19 AM Subject: Re: Natural Order Belief Dear John, This is ancient history judging from the post date. Just the same - I saw a post from you some time ago with the single word in the subject line unsubscribe. I'm

RE: Natural Order Belief

2006-11-24 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
it scientifically. Thanks for your thought provoking reflections. John - Original Message - From: Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 5:25 AM Subject: RE: Natural Order Belief John, Some people

Re: Natural Order Belief

2006-11-24 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: John, I apologise if you thought I was referring to you in any way: I was just trying to make a general point about how we come to accept some beliefs and reject others. Perhaps I should not have used the pejorative terms, but I think it is a fair

Re: Natural Order Belief

2006-11-23 Thread John M
it scientifically. Thanks for your thought provoking reflections. John - Original Message - From: Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 5:25 AM Subject: RE: Natural Order Belief John, Some people believe crazy things

RE: Natural Order Belief

2006-11-22 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
for the biosphere. Opimistically yours John - Original Message - From: Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 7:20 AM Subject: RE: Natural Order Belief Tom Caylor writes: (skip) SP: The problem with religious

Re: Natural Order Belief

2006-11-22 Thread John M
would like a dog with 6 feet. John - Original Message - From: Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 4:41 AM Subject: RE: Natural Order Belief John, I think the trap is to look for absolute certainty. Can I

RE: Natural Order Belief

2006-11-16 Thread Colin Geoffrey Hales
I'm curious: how many people on this list are theists? Stathis Papaioannou I don't believe in any theistic garbage. As a scientist the truth or otherwise of the proposition X = There is a god and he did this sits forever perched on the verge of disproof through lack of evidence in the most

Re: Natural Order Belief

2006-11-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 16-nov.-06, à 06:58, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit : I'm curious: how many people on this list are theists? CF: A theist God (as opposed to a deist God) is one who intervenes in the natural order, i.e. does miracles. Stenger will readily admit that his argument does not apply to a

RE: Natural Order Belief

2006-11-16 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Bruno, I suspect you can talk about God in this way when the subject of atheism comes up because you live in post-Enlightenment Europe. But if you lived in a certain large English-speaking country where a substantial proportion of the population believe that God created Adam and Eve 6000

Re: Natural Order Belief

2006-11-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 16-nov.-06, à 13:59, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit : Bruno, I suspect you can talk about God in this way when the subject of atheism comes up because you live in post-Enlightenment Europe. It is a difficult subject, perhaps a bit out of topics or premature, but I do not believe so

Re: Natural Order Belief

2006-11-16 Thread John M
thousand thinking sould cannot change the fear-based mindset of 6 billion. J - Original Message - From: Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:23 AM Subject: Re: Natural Order Belief Le 16-nov.-06, à 13:59, Stathis

Re: Natural Order Belief

2006-11-16 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 16-nov.-06, à 13:59, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit : Bruno, I suspect you can talk about God in this way when the subject of atheism comes up because you live in post-Enlightenment Europe. It is a difficult subject, perhaps a bit out of topics or premature,

RE: Natural Order Belief

2006-11-15 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
I'm curious: how many people on this list are theists? Stathis Papaioannou From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Natural Order Belief Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 22:52:22 -0800 Brent Meeker wrote: Tom Caylor wrote:

RE: Natural Order Belief

2006-11-15 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Tom Caylor writes: But it's not a mistake to assume a magical Daddy in the sky who'll torture you in hell if you don't flatter him? Lewis must have enjoyed this arrogant view of his own perception that could point to the mistakes of strawmen he invented for the purpose. I don't

Re: Natural Order Belief

2006-11-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 14-nov.-06, à 07:52, Tom Caylor a écrit : Brent Meeker wrote: Tom Caylor wrote: Brent Meeker wrote: An excellent essay. I agree with almost everything you wrote; and you put it very well. Would you mind if I cross posted it to Vic Stenger's AVOID-L mailing list. You can check out

Re: Natural Order Belief

2006-11-14 Thread Tom Caylor
Brent Meeker wrote: Tom Caylor wrote: Brent Meeker wrote: Tom Caylor wrote: Brent Meeker wrote: An excellent essay. I agree with almost everything you wrote; and you put it very well. Would you mind if I cross posted it to Vic Stenger's AVOID-L mailing list. You can check out

Re: Natural Order Belief

2006-11-13 Thread Brent Meeker
Tom Caylor wrote: Brent Meeker wrote: Tom Caylor wrote: Brent Meeker wrote: An excellent essay. I agree with almost everything you wrote; and you put it very well. Would you mind if I cross posted it to Vic Stenger's AVOID-L mailing list. You can check out the list here: