Re: In Defense of Penrose. That everybody --including materialists, empiricists and rationalists--is a Platonist

2013-06-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Jun 2013, at 19:23, meekerdb wrote: On 6/16/2013 12:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Jun 2013, at 21:57, meekerdb wrote: On 6/15/2013 12:40 AM, chris peck wrote: Hi Rog As you have described them a materialist could not be a combination of both rationalism and empiricism,

Re: In Defense of Penrose. That everybody --including materialists, empiricists and rationalists--is a Platonist

2013-06-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 15 Jun 2013, at 21:57, meekerdb wrote: On 6/15/2013 12:40 AM, chris peck wrote: Hi Rog As you have described them a materialist could not be a combination of both rationalism and empiricism, because you have them as diametrically opposed. If reason alone is the source of knowledge,

Re: In Defense of Penrose. That everybody --including materialists, empiricists and rationalists--is a Platonist

2013-06-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 15 Jun 2013, at 22:29, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: It would be nice if it somehow was programable (I think) since we could make things better, as well as destroy everything. We are not programmable by us, but comp just say that we are Turing emulable at some level (and we cannot

Re: In Defense of Penrose. That everybody --including materialists, empiricists and rationalists--is a Platonist

2013-06-16 Thread meekerdb
On 6/16/2013 12:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Jun 2013, at 21:57, meekerdb wrote: On 6/15/2013 12:40 AM, chris peck wrote: Hi Rog As you have described them a materialist could not be a combination of both rationalism and empiricism, because you have them as diametrically opposed. If

RE: In Defense of Penrose. That everybody --including materialists, empiricists and rationalists--is a Platonist

2013-06-15 Thread chris peck
Hi Rog As you have described them a materialist could not be a combination of both rationalism and empiricism, because you have them as diametrically opposed. If reason alone is the source of knowledge, then experience isn't and can't be combined to be. Besides, Materialism is an ontological

Re: In Defense of Penrose. That everybody --including materialists, empiricists and rationalists--is a Platonist

2013-06-15 Thread spudboy100
I wonder if a more precise way of stating this is to say, that like Platonism, there must be an underlying programming to the cosmos. That would cover the Idealism central feature. -Original Message- From: chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.com To: everything-list

Re: In Defense of Penrose. That everybody --including materialists, empiricists and rationalists--is a Platonist

2013-06-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 15 Jun 2013, at 16:33, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: I wonder if a more precise way of stating this is to say, that like Platonism, there must be an underlying programming to the cosmos. That would cover the Idealism central feature. Arithmetical realism entails the the experienceable

Re: In Defense of Penrose. That everybody --including materialists, empiricists and rationalists--is a Platonist

2013-06-15 Thread meekerdb
On 6/15/2013 12:40 AM, chris peck wrote: Hi Rog As you have described them a materialist could not be a combination of both rationalism and empiricism, because you have them as diametrically opposed. If reason alone is the source of knowledge, then experience isn't and can't be combined to

Re: In Defense of Penrose. That everybody --including materialists, empiricists and rationalists--is a Platonist

2013-06-15 Thread spudboy100
It would be nice if it somehow was programable (I think) since we could make things better, as well as destroy everything. But what is new about that? Do you thus, give this person any creedence then, or not really?