Re: Key Post 1, toward Church Thesis and Lobian machine

2008-02-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 11-févr.-08, à 17:58, Mirek Dobsicek a écrit : But thanks to that crashing, *Church thesis remains consistent*. I would just say An existence of a universal language is not ruled out. I am ok with you. Consistent (in math) means basically not rule out. Formally consistent means not

Re: Key Post 1, toward Church Thesis and Lobian machine

2008-02-11 Thread Mirek Dobsicek
But thanks to that crashing, *Church thesis remains consistent*. I would just say An existence of a universal language is not ruled out. I am ok with you. Consistent (in math) means basically not rule out. Formally consistent means not formally ruled out, or not refutable. That is:

Re: Key Post 1, toward Church Thesis and Lobian machine

2008-02-08 Thread John Mikes
Bruno, thanx. You play loose with 'context': not observed with the baby's diapers, but observed with K and S - (what I didnot specify at all, in the contrary: I spoke about (any) symbol in the sentence what fou failed to misunderstand rightly. ) You seem to comfortably refer to 'matter' (vs

Re: Key Post 1, toward Church Thesis and Lobian machine

2008-02-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
John, Le 06-févr.-08, à 23:56, John Mikes a écrit : Bruno, here is my out of order and off topic remark. We are here in theoretical theorizing by theory-laden theoretic ways. It is ALL the product of a mental exercise. Even a Loebian kick in the ass can be

Re: Key Post 1, toward Church Thesis and Lobian machine

2008-02-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 05-déc.-07, à 23:08, Mirek Dobsicek a écrit : But thanks to that crashing, *Church thesis remains consistent*. I would just say An existence of a universal language is not ruled out. I am ok with you. Consistent (in math) means basically not rule out. Formally consistent means not

Re: Key Post 1, toward Church Thesis and Lobian machine

2008-02-06 Thread John Mikes
Bruno, here is my out of order and off topic remark. We are here in theoretical theorizing by theory-laden theoretic ways. It is ALL the product of a mental exercise. Even a Loebian kick in the ass can be a theoretical halucination. You wrote: ... - ... But does 'M

Re: Key Post 1, toward Church Thesis and Lobian machine

2007-12-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Barry and Mirek, (and Brent, David, ). Thanks for telling, New year is good for me. As you know I am a bit of a platonist so time has no real meaning for me. I told you that this year I'm teaching Church thesis at my Saturday Course on computer science for a large (not necessarily

Re: Key Post 1, toward Church Thesis and Lobian machine

2007-12-12 Thread Mirek Dobsicek
Hi Bruno, From what you told me, I think you have no problem with Cantor 's diagonal. Yep, no problem. Are you ok with the key post, that is with the two supplementary uses of the diagonal in the enumerable context? 95% grasped, and for the rest I'm lacking time to do a sufficient

Re: Key Post 1, toward Church Thesis and Lobian machine

2007-12-12 Thread Barry Brent
Seems fine to me too. Barry On Dec 12, 2007, at 12:58 PM, Mirek Dobsicek wrote: Hi Bruno, From what you told me, I think you have no problem with Cantor 's diagonal. Yep, no problem. Are you ok with the key post, that is with the two supplementary uses of the diagonal in the

Re: Key Post 1, toward Church Thesis and Lobian machine

2007-12-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Brent, Mirek, David, From what you told me, I think you have no problem with Cantor 's diagonal. Are you ok with the key post, that is with the two supplementary uses of the diagonal in the enumerable context? Let me sum up, please consult the preceding posts for details. 1)

Re: Key Post 1, toward Church Thesis and Lobian machine

2007-12-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 07-déc.-07, à 00:22, Russell Standish a écrit : On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 03:37:10PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: Thanks Russell. About the use of asshole I am afraid it is more popular, or vulgar, than I thought. You are very kind to tell me. Should I use dumb instead? The idea

Re: Key Post 1, toward Church Thesis and Lobian machine

2007-12-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
Thanks Russell. About the use of asshole I am afraid it is more popular, or vulgar, than I thought. You are very kind to tell me. Should I use dumb instead? The idea consists in not attributing anything like intuition, intelligence, cleverness, etc. for the followers of unambiguous

Re: Key Post 1, toward Church Thesis and Lobian machine

2007-12-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hello Mirek, Le 05-déc.-07, à 23:08, Mirek Dobsicek a écrit : thank you for your post. I read it a couple of times in order to more or less grasp it, but it worth it. I have some questions... Suppose there is a secure universal machine M. The set of expressions it can compute provide

Re: Key Post 1, toward Church Thesis and Lobian machine

2007-12-06 Thread Russell Standish
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 03:37:10PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: Thanks Russell. About the use of asshole I am afraid it is more popular, or vulgar, than I thought. You are very kind to tell me. Should I use dumb instead? The idea consists in not attributing No dumb is the wrong word.

Re: Key Post 1, toward Church Thesis and Lobian machine

2007-12-05 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 03:55:50PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hi David, Mirek, Tom, Barry and All, ... The cardinality of the set of computable functions. Thanks for this post. I was in the position of trying to explain your work to someone (actually a son of my mother's cousin) at a

Re: Key Post 1, toward Church Thesis and Lobian machine

2007-12-05 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 11:08:34PM +0100, Mirek Dobsicek wrote: Each expression like that denotes now either a computable function from N to N, or as we have to expect something else. And we have to expect they are no computable means to distinguish which U_i represents functions

Re: Key Post 1, toward Church Thesis and Lobian machine

2007-12-05 Thread Mirek Dobsicek
Hi Bruno, thank you for your post. I read it a couple of times in order to more or less grasp it, but it worth it. I have some questions... Suppose there is a secure universal machine M. The set of expressions it can compute provide a secure universal language L. That set is not only