Re: Why there is something rather than nothing...

2013-12-28 Thread LizR
On 28 December 2013 23:46, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > 2013/12/28 LizR > >> On 28 December 2013 08:23, Alberto G. Corona wrote: >> >>> Non existence can not exist. but non existence is not the same than >>> nothing. Nothing can exist . it is not the same than non existence because >>> something

Re: Why there is something rather than nothing...

2013-12-28 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2013/12/28 LizR > On 28 December 2013 08:23, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > >> Non existence can not exist. but non existence is not the same than >> nothing. Nothing can exist . it is not the same than non existence because >> something exist: nothing. therefore the question why there are things >

Re: Why there is something rather than nothing...

2013-12-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Dec 2013, at 23:59, LizR wrote: On 28 December 2013 07:11, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Dec 2013, at 23:54, LizR wrote: Arithmetical reality theories like comp and Tegmark's MUH assume that the only things that exist are those that must exist (in this case some simple numerical relat

Re: Why there is something rather than nothing...

2013-12-27 Thread LizR
On 28 December 2013 08:23, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > Non existence can not exist. but non existence is not the same than > nothing. Nothing can exist . it is not the same than non existence because > something exist: nothing. therefore the question why there are things > different than nothing,

Re: Why there is something rather than nothing...

2013-12-27 Thread LizR
On 28 December 2013 07:11, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 25 Dec 2013, at 23:54, LizR wrote: > > Arithmetical reality theories like comp and Tegmark's MUH assume that the > only things that exist are those that must exist (in this case some simple > numerical relations). This seems to me to be a goo

Re: Why there is something rather than nothing...

2013-12-27 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Non existence can not exist. but non existence is not the same than nothing. Nothing can exist . it is not the same than non existence because something exist: nothing. therefore the question why there are things different than nothing, (that is, something) instead of nothing (that is the most sim

Re: Why there is something rather than nothing...

2013-12-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Dec 2013, at 23:54, LizR wrote: Arithmetical reality theories like comp and Tegmark's MUH assume that the only things that exist are those that must exist (in this case some simple numerical relations). This seems to me to be a good starting hypothesis - show that some specific thing

Re: Why there is something rather than nothing...

2013-12-25 Thread LizR
Arithmetical reality theories like comp and Tegmark's MUH assume that the only things that exist are those that must exist (in this case some simple numerical relations). This seems to me to be a good starting hypothesis - show that some specific thing must exist, such as the facts of simple arithm

Re: Why there is something rather than nothing...

2013-12-25 Thread meekerdb
On 12/25/2013 7:05 AM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: All, As I state in my book on Reality in Part I: Fundamentals, Existence MUST exist because non-existence canNOT exist. That is why there was never a nothing out of which something appeared. Therefore there is no need for a creator nor a creation eve

Re: Why there is something rather than nothing...

2013-12-25 Thread Edgar L. Owen
John, Yes, you are absolutely correct it depends on the universe being a logical structure. That 2nd fundamental Axiom is in my book on Reality also. However there is overwhelming evidence for that... You slightly misunderstand my statement that 'there is no need for a creation event'. Of cour

Re: Why there is something rather than nothing...

2013-12-25 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Edgar L. Owen wrot >> As I state in my book on Reality in Part I: Fundamentals, Existence MUST > exist because non-existence canNOT exist. [...] The very notion is > illogical and impossible > Provided of course that the laws of logic exist. > there is no need

Why there is something rather than nothing...

2013-12-25 Thread Edgar L. Owen
All, As I state in my book on Reality in Part I: Fundamentals, Existence MUST exist because non-existence canNOT exist. That is why there was never a nothing out of which something appeared. Therefore there is no need for a creator nor a creation event. The very notion is illogical and impossi