Re: truth

2012-06-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
Dear John, Dear Bruno, think about it as absolute truth: Isn't 1+1 not 2, but 11? If 11 is a notation for 2, then it is the *same* absolute truth, just written with non standard notation. If 11 denotes eleven (1*10 + 1), as it usually does, then it is an absolute falsity, which

Re: Autonomy?

2012-06-28 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: comp allows self-duplication. That is the key point. OK. If you really had complete information then you could make 2 predictions: 1) I Bruno Marchal will write in my diary I Bruno Marchal am now in Washington and only Washington

Re: Autonomy?

2012-06-28 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: I think the claim that, It's either determined or random. is misleading. Thoughts and actions may be determined in the sense of constrained to a fairly narrow probability distribution, and yet random. it is a deterministic certainty

Re: Autonomy?

2012-06-28 Thread meekerdb
On 6/28/2012 9:31 AM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: I think the claim that, It's either determined or random. is misleading. Thoughts and actions may be determined in the sense of constrained to a fairly

Re: truth

2012-06-28 Thread John Mikes
Brent: I am the 3rd kind of the two: think not in binary, just in plain peasant logic, when 1 and 1 make 11, nothing more. So Bruno's absolute truth may have even more relatives. John On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 5:36 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 6/27/2012 2:26 PM, John Mikes wrote:

Re: truth

2012-06-28 Thread Brian Tenneson
What I was wondering, and I know this is ill-formed, is if in different parallels, different things are absolutely true. Things like 2+2=17. It may be completely impractical to imagine such parallels since there is presumably zero overlap and no means of travel to there. The basic premise is

Re: truth

2012-06-28 Thread meekerdb
On 6/28/2012 12:46 PM, John Mikes wrote: Brent: I am the 3rd kind of the two: think not in binary, just in plain peasant logic, when 1 and 1 make 11, nothing more. So Bruno's absolute truth may have even more relatives. John Or less facetiously, (The father of Kirsten)+(The father of

Re: truth

2012-06-28 Thread meekerdb
On 6/28/2012 1:06 PM, Brian Tenneson wrote: What I was wondering, and I know this is ill-formed, is if in different parallels, different things are absolutely true. Things like 2+2=17. It may be completely impractical to imagine such parallels since there is presumably zero overlap and no

Re: truth

2012-06-28 Thread Brian Tenneson
What I meant is an omnipotent being being able to manipulate what is actually, absolutely true (so in a parallel 2+2 might actually be 17). Not manipulate the perception of truth. On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 1:11 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 6/28/2012 1:06 PM, Brian Tenneson wrote: