Re: For John Clark

2013-10-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 11:20 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: I'd only ever seen numerical simulations of it, but consulting the ever-handy Wikipedia, it looks like the percolation threshold is given by the inverse of the average node degree for Erdos-Renyi random graphs.

Re: AUDA and pronouns

2013-10-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Oct 2013, at 19:01, meekerdb wrote: On 10/22/2013 5:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Oct 2013, at 20:07, meekerdb wrote: On 10/20/2013 11:12 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 08:09:59PM -0700, meekerdb wrote: Consistency is []p ~[]~p. I was saying []p ~p, ie

Re: AUDA and pronouns

2013-10-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Oct 2013, at 19:07, meekerdb wrote: On 10/22/2013 6:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: []p - p is correctness. It is trivially true for the machine I consider, because they are correct by definition/choice. Consistency is correctness on the f: []f - f. It is a very particular case of

Re: AUDA and pronouns

2013-10-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Oct 2013, at 22:50, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 03:09:03PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Oct 2013, at 23:03, Russell Standish wrote: In fact p- []p characterizes sigma_1 completeness (by a result by Albert Visser), and that is why to get the proba on the

Re: I have a very good question but I don't know how to ask it...

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
We all dreams in the mind of God, even, paradoxically, God himself? On Oct 22, 2013, at 9:52 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: No, not criticizing! This poem seems to express the question more comprehensibly, and I just wanted to see what others think of it? The idea that

Re: Seth Lloyd on Free Will

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
A deterministic system cannot grant free will, and a system with free will cannot choose to become deterministic; however, each is capable of an arbitrarily convincing simulation of the other. So how would you know where it began? On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Craig Weinberg

A metaphor for true love:

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
Your soulmate is the one on the opposite side of the Möbius strip. Of course, if that's true, then there's probably an even bigger Möbius strip inside an even bigger Möbius strip etc... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To

Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialetheism Dialetheism is the view that some statements can be both true and false simultaneously. More precisely, it is the belief that there can be a true statement whose negation is also true. Such statements are called true contradictions, or dialetheia.

Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-23 Thread Richard Ruquist
Bruno, Are you saying that 1) negates digital physics? If so can you explain how for dummies? Richard On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 23 Oct 2013, at 02:15, Chris de Morsella wrote: ** ** ** ** *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [

Re: Seth Lloyd on Free Will

2013-10-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 9:39:31 AM UTC-4, Stephen Lin wrote: A deterministic system cannot grant free will, and a system with free will cannot choose to become deterministic; however, each is capable of an arbitrarily convincing simulation of the other. A system with free will can

Re: For John Clark

2013-10-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Oct 2013, at 20:56, Quentin Anciaux wrote to John Clark (I comment both) 2013/10/22 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 6:03 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/21/2013 9:16 AM, John Clark wrote: Let me put it in this way: accepting that P(W)

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Oct 2013, at 17:39, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialetheism Dialetheism is the view that some statements can be both true and false simultaneously. More precisely, it is the belief that there can be a true statement whose negation is also true. Such statements

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
Gien all of that, can you explain red/green vision? Then what happens to yelow?? (Did hear someone way loops?) On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:34:05 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Oct 2013, at 17:39,

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
Wait I accideally replied to all! EVERYONE FORGET I METNIONED THAT NAME MING. On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Lin sw...@post.harvard.edu wrote: Ming? Was that you??? On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Wednesday, October 23, 2013

Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-10-neural-brain-harder-disrupt-aware.html We consciously perceive just a small part of the information processed in the brain – but which information in the brain remains unconscious and which reaches our consciousness remains a mystery. However,

Time as an emergent phenomenon

2013-10-23 Thread LizR
I will be reading this as soon as I get the time, I mean the emergent phenomenon...but thought in the meantime you guys might be interested :-) https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/d5d3dc850933 I may have comments once I've had a chance to read it! -- You received this message because

Re: AUDA and pronouns

2013-10-23 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 03:02:55PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Oct 2013, at 22:50, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 03:09:03PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Oct 2013, at 23:03, Russell Standish wrote: In fact p- []p characterizes sigma_1 completeness (by a

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
color blindness? not sure what the connection is. On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 4:25:48 PM UTC-4, Stephen Lin wrote: Gien all of that, can you explain red/green vision? Then what happens to yelow?? (Did hear someone way loops?) On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Craig Weinberg

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
you do now! On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: color blindness? not sure what the connection is. On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 4:25:48 PM UTC-4, Stephen Lin wrote: Gien all of that, can you explain red/green vision? Then what happens to

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
There, I just did it again. Baby BAby I just idd i t again. On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Stephen Lin sw...@post.harvard.edu wrote: Wait I accideally replied to all! EVERYONE FORGET I METNIONED THAT NAME MING. On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Lin sw...@post.harvard.eduwrote:

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
Ooops, I did it again, I played with your heart. On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialetheism Dialetheism is the view that some statements can be both true and false simultaneously. More precisely, it is the belief that

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
Ming, stop confusing my taste buds, we're trying to have a serious conversation here.. Same with you, Lusi, Sherry, Mark, and Schonmei On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Lin sw...@post.harvard.edu wrote: Ming? Was that you??? On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Craig Weinberg

What's my name and what do you think I need to help me along my journey?

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
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Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Go meet Roger Please stop the spamming. 2013/10/23 Stephen Lin sw...@post.harvard.edu Ooops, I did it again, I played with your heart. On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialetheism Dialetheism is the view that

Re: A metaphor for true love:

2013-10-23 Thread LizR
Nice, but there is no need for the quote marks in the title. (It is a metaphor and not a simile, if that's your problem.) By the way I'm not sure if you can nest Mobius strips. Can you? On 24 October 2013 02:42, Stephen Lin sw...@post.harvard.edu wrote: Your soulmate is the one on the

Re: Stereo vision as evidence of platonism

2013-10-23 Thread LizR
Well, as a bit of a Platonist myself (especially on days with no 'R' in them), I'm glad to know that's been settled after 2000-odd years of debate. (Coming soon, how the shape of my coffee cup demonstrates dialectical materialism.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: AUDA and pronouns

2013-10-23 Thread meekerdb
On 10/23/2013 5:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Oct 2013, at 19:01, meekerdb wrote: On 10/22/2013 5:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Oct 2013, at 20:07, meekerdb wrote: On 10/20/2013 11:12 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 08:09:59PM -0700, meekerdb wrote:

Re: I have a very good question but I don't know how to ask it...

2013-10-23 Thread LizR
Sounds like comp with added poetry (not that comp needs added poetry). On 24 October 2013 02:37, Stephen Lin stephenw...@gmail.com wrote: We all dreams in the mind of God, even, paradoxically, God himself? On Oct 22, 2013, at 9:52 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: No, not

Re: Time as an emergent phenomenon

2013-10-23 Thread spudboy100
Time emerges from entanglement, at the end the paper indicates time emerging from photons. I wonder if the paper is having fun with us, via spooky action at a distance? No entanglement, no time and no photons, no time? So if one is in an underground mine, switch the lights off, and then time

Re: A metaphor for true love:

2013-10-23 Thread meekerdb
On 10/23/2013 6:42 AM, Stephen Lin wrote: Your soulmate is the one on the opposite side of the Möbius strip. Of course, if that's true, then there's probably an even bigger Möbius strip inside an even bigger Möbius strip etc... Which side is the inside? Brent -- You received this message

Re: A metaphor for true love:

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
Both. On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 2:52 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/23/2013 6:42 AM, Stephen Lin wrote: Your soulmate is the one on the opposite side of the Möbius strip. Of course, if that's true, then there's probably an even bigger Möbius strip inside an even bigger

Re: Time as an emergent phenomenon

2013-10-23 Thread LizR
I've read the precis but not the paper itself, so I can't comment on that (assuming I will be able to when i HAVE read it...!) But if time emerges from entanglement, that doesn't just involve photons, everything can be entangled with everything else - this is the basis of the MWI, I believe (for

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread meekerdb
On 10/23/2013 9:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Oct 2013, at 17:39, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialetheism Dialetheism is the view that some statements can be both true and false simultaneously. More precisely, it is the belief that there can be a true statement

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread LizR
Stephen Lin - I may be forced to create a filter to automatically delete your messages if you don't have anything sensible to say. Do you? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

Re: Time as an emergent phenomenon

2013-10-23 Thread LizR
Yes the article mentioned the W-D equation, that's what the idea is based on. On 24 October 2013 11:14, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: Here is a video on the same topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ogiQ2E6n0U According to the video the result has been implied since 1967, with

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
Yes I did. Tomorrow this will be harder but today this is the easiest thing in the world. Bill Murray? Andie MacDowell? Yes I said yes I will Yes. Stream of consciousness? Yes, already, after the ghosts in the shells it's not that easy to be a turtle who's green? Red/green color vision. Cogito

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread LizR
If anyone is still in doubt that Mr Lin is trolling, try googling Tomorrow this will be harder but today this is the easiest thing in the world. Bill Murray? Andie MacDowell? Yes I said yes I will Yes. (including the quote marks). As you will see, the most sensible response to this is Oh, cr*p -

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread meekerdb
On 10/23/2013 3:13 PM, LizR wrote: On 24 October 2013 04:39, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com mailto:whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialetheism Dialetheism is the view that some statements can be both true and false simultaneously. More

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
Wisdom is the art of coming up with believable excuses for one's ignorance. On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:25 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/23/2013 3:13 PM, LizR wrote: On 24 October 2013 04:39, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:25 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/23/2013 3:13 PM, LizR wrote: On 24 October 2013 04:39, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialetheism Dialetheism is the view that some statements can be both true and false

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
Whereever you go, there you are! On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:17 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: If anyone is still in doubt that Mr Lin is trolling, try googling Tomorrow this will be harder but today this is the easiest thing in the world. Bill Murray? Andie MacDowell? Yes I said yes I will

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread LizR
Always take the weather with you. I feel a spam filter coming on. On 24 October 2013 12:29, Stephen Lin sw...@post.harvard.edu wrote: Whereever you go, there you are! On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:17 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: If anyone is still in doubt that Mr Lin is trolling, try

RE: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...

2013-10-23 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:45 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids... On 23 Oct 2013, at 02:15,

Re: What's my name and what do you think I need to help me along my journey?

2013-10-23 Thread Richard Ruquist
Are you the famous basketball player from Harvard, then the Knicks and now elsewhere.? Sorry I lost track of you. Richard On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Stephen Lin sw...@post.harvard.edu wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
This is better: https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?shva=1#label/everything-list/141e79c24d12e062http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=634170 On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:31 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Always take the weather with you. I feel a spam filter coming on. On 24

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
I have the perfect James Joyce! On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Stephen Lin sw...@post.harvard.edu wrote: This is better: https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?shva=1#label/everything-list/141e79c24d12e062http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=634170 On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
This is better: https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?shva=1#label/everything-list/141e79c24d12e062http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=634170 On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:31 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Always take the weather with you. I feel a spam filter coming on. On 24

RE: A metaphor for true love:

2013-10-23 Thread Chris de Morsella
And neither From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Lin Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 3:10 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: A metaphor for true love: Both. On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 2:52 PM, meekerdb

Re: A metaphor for true love:

2013-10-23 Thread Richard Ruquist
The answer is that you do not have a soulmate in agreement with Theosophy and all religions. On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: And neither ** ** *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf

Re: A metaphor for true love:

2013-10-23 Thread Richard Ruquist
Agreed based on Theosophy and Judaism. Not sure about other religions. On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:53 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Or possibly you are your soulmate. On 24 October 2013 13:34, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: The answer is that you do not have a soulmate in

Re: A metaphor for true love:

2013-10-23 Thread LizR
I was thinking of The Egg. On 24 October 2013 14:15, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed based on Theosophy and Judaism. Not sure about other religions. On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:53 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Or possibly you are your soulmate. On 24 October 2013

RE: What's my name and what do you think I need to help me along my journey?

2013-10-23 Thread chris peck
Stephen Lin. A new bike? Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 19:43:32 -0400 Subject: Re: What's my name and what do you think I need to help me along my journey? From: yann...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Are you the famous basketball player from Harvard, then the Knicks and now

Re: What's my name and what do you think I need to help me along my journey?

2013-10-23 Thread LizR
Anyone who's been banned from the Straight Dope forum probably needs a dose of reality to help them on their way. On 24 October 2013 15:42, chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.com wrote: Stephen Lin. A new bike? -- Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 19:43:32 -0400 Subject:

Ontological status: biological species as individuals or sets? Thoughts?

2013-10-23 Thread Francisco Boni
Two apparently distinct ontological distinctions: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/species/#SpeInd vs http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/species/#SpeSet After the development of set theory, however, a distinction of the scholastics between intension, of sets that were circumscribed by

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 6:13:33 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 24 October 2013 04:39, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialetheism Dialetheism is the view that some statements can be both true and false simultaneously. More precisely,

Re: Time as an emergent phenomenon

2013-10-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
Emergence, entanglement, and time make more sense as divergence, disentanglement, and nested frequency ranges of experience, IMO. On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:53:20 PM UTC-4, spudb...@aol.com wrote: Time emerges from entanglement, at the end the paper indicates time emerging from

Re: Ontological status: biological species as individuals or sets? Thoughts?

2013-10-23 Thread meekerdb
Ontological status is always within some model we have created. So one can created models in which species are defined extenstionally and create different models in which they are defined intensionally. So what? They are both our creations to help understand the world. Does one work better?

Re: Ontological status: biological species as individuals or sets? Thoughts?

2013-10-23 Thread Francisco Boni
It seems biologists (and philosophers of biology) think that Kitcher's motivation for asserting that species are sets is to allow spatiotemporally unrestricted groups of organisms to form species. That motivation, however, is not substantiated by biological theory or practice. Species as sets (see

Re: Time as an emergent phenomenon

2013-10-23 Thread Richard Ruquist
Do not bother with the physics blog. It contains many errors. Go to arVix.com for the original paper On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: Emergence, entanglement, and time make more sense as divergence, disentanglement, and nested frequency ranges of